The Ethnic Gap

[Berter]

The Ethnic Gap
A Rejoinder to Torrianni & Rienzi
Richard McCulloch
theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol2no2/rm-teg.html

[mike2]

I love how McCulloch has to consider the Atlanto-Mediterraneans of Britain "Nordish" in order to avoid contradicting himself. What a load of hot air that moron is. There's no such thing as a "Nordish" race. He made it up.

[KULL]

I've said many times the same........................

[mike2]

I hate people who fetishize their race as if it's something more sacred than love. They're orcs to me, minions of darkness who worship their bodies as if the way they look really means something.

If mixing between racial types destroys races and cultures, then I suppose composite types like the Turanid and Dinaric are living proof, right? Pffft. McCulloch can go to hell.

I don't want to see the European race disappear and I agree immigration should be limited, regardless of race. But fetishizing a racial type, let alone a fictional one like "Nordish," is an abomination to me. I will not sacrifice freewill for eugenics. You can love, and have sex, and make babies with whomever you so choose. Don't force your half-baked racial theories on us normal people who couldn't care less about whether or not our children look exactly like us or not. That's not important.

[Criollo]

Race is some thing that naturally we are now a days concerned with I do not care much about racial mixing as long as it doesn't happen massively in my country. The link that Berter has is pretty interesting it shows the conern which the author apparently has for the "Nordish" race and I can see his point about not wanting this unique phenotype to disappear mabey race mixing isn't entirely bad but when it happens wide spread and is vicious it is bad. The imigration and mixing that is currently occuring in Europe is not good by any means America may love their multiracialism but I believe that a good form a government would allow either no immigration or very little of it im very conservative when it comes to that even when the immigration is of the same racial stock it can still be bad let alone culturally and racially disimilar people. And what he says isn't entirely unfounded it is actually possible for a race and or phenotype to entirely disapear from the earth because of racial mixing.

As for mixing of the "Medish" race and the "Nordish" I believe that if is wide spread in Northern Europe or even in Southern Europe it can be bad but small amounts of mixing between Europeans is essentially harmless.Overall race does not make some one act a certain way and it does not make some one good or bad dumb or smart etc. etc however their is still a strong ethnic,racial and cultural link between a nation and its people. Racial mixing isn't by it self bad massive racial mixing in a single country is bad.

[mike2]

I represent what happens when European types mix. My Greek father is Alpine, my American mother favors Atlanto-Mediterranean and Nordic. I think I look like the typical Dinaricized Mediterranean. Mixing between European groups doesn't destroy types. It creates new ones.

[henerte]

Mike said:

I represent what happens when European types mix. My Greek father is Alpine, my American mother favors Atlanto-Mediterranean and Nordic. I think I look like the typical Dinaricized Mediterranean. Mixing between European groups doesn't destroy types. It creates new ones.

Dinaricized Med is not a new type. If mixing inside of Caucasian race destroyed racial groups, none of them would exist nowadays as this kind of miscegenation has been going on for centuries if not millenia, it also doesn't create new ones.

[vela]

It is obvious that Richard McCulloch and other paladins of nordicism like him have erected themselves as the saviors of "their race" in a self-aggrandizement obsession that clearly borders on the psychopathic.

[Criollo]

Aren't Dinarics a result of mixing between white racial sub groups?

[mike2]

henerte said:

Dinaricized Med is not a new type. If mixing inside of Caucasian race destroyed racial groups, none of them would exist nowadays as this kind of miscegenation has been going on for centuries if not millenia

Sure 'nuff. I know it's not a new type. I was just citing an example of my own case.

henerte said:

it also doesn't create new ones.

But I mean like in individual instances. If my mother was long-headed and my father short-headed, and I'm middle-headed, do I not in someway represent the principle of the Dinaricization process? Just curious as to your opinion on that.

Criollo said:

Aren't Dinarics a result of mixing between white racial sub groups?

It's standard theory that Dinaricization occurs when a significant short-headed population (usually Alpine) blends into a long-headed one (usually Atlanto-Med or in the case of the Armenoids, Irano-Afghan/Cappadocian). There are some other theories and none are set in stone, but the Alpine-Med thing is the standard, anyway.

[KULL]

Mike said:

It's standard theory that Dinaricization occurs when a significant short-headed population (usually Alpine) blends into a long-headed one (usually Atlanto-Med or in the case of the Armenoids, Irano-Afghan/Cappadocian). There are some other theories and none are set in stone, but the Alpine-Med thing is the standard, anyway.

Usually the Dinarid type creates some confusions in MANY people. Many says Alpine/Mediterranean Mix, but in reality it's wrong : Alpinid and Mediterranean race are two typically short and weak structured while Dinarid is very tall and imponent in the structure.

We must be MORE PRECISE here : Coon, said ATLANTID-MED (Atlantid-med, is NOT Mediterranean.......) + Alpinid............It means something like ATLANTID/ALPINID mix, and this could explain the long face, the long nose the very tall stature (atlantid type is typically high statured) and the leptosomic structure. Besides the pigmentation is NOT dark like many say usually : right, albanians and Bulgarians are rather dark, but this is normal, cause we're talking about a european zone in the deep south so the pigmentation is not different from the mediterraneans aroud them.

Instead, if you go in southern Germany or in Austria, the dinarids who live there are light complexioned like the major part of Alpinids and Nordids around them, and this nullify any similarity with mediterranean type.

[mike2]

You're right, but my beliefs are actually in agreement with yours.

When I talk of Mediterraneans, Atlanto-Mediterranean is the type I'm talking about. I don't consider Orientalids and Irano-Afghans to be Mediterranean in the same sense the Atlanto-Meds are. So when I use Med, I'm either using it in the general brunet Caucasoid ecotype sense or just as shorthand for Atlanto-Mediterranean. I am almost always likely to use it for the latter.

I consider Dinarics to be Atlanto-Mediterraneans mixed with Alpines and I consider Armenoids to be Afghanian-Cappadocians mixed with Alpines. So, yeah, I believe Coon and you're right, I should be more precise. Mediterranean is a painfully vague word.

[Q. Valerius Priscus]

I disagree with the opinions of Mr. McCulloch, and I find his opinions to be dangerous. If his plan went into practice, then the Alpish race-types would be split between the 'Nordish' and the 'non-Nordish' Europid group. I too am a preservationist, but I am not in favour of the preservation of degenerative or primitive traits, but of the more advanced and desirable traits and the higher and more evolved human types.

[Tautamo]

QVP said:

I disagree with the opinions of Mr. McCulloch, and I find his opinions to be dangerous. If his plan went into practice, then the Alpish race-types would be split between the 'Nordish' and the 'non-Nordish' Europid group. I too am a preservationist, but I am not in favour of the preservation of degenerative or primitive traits, but of the more advanced and desirable traits and the higher and more evolved human types.

hmm so you are a preservationist? are you even married?

[mike2]

Tautamo said:

hmm so you are a preservationist? are you even married?

He's just a crazy man who thinks that the Alpine racial type is the most progressive and beautiful of all the Caucasoid racial types and is somehow worthy of our scientific adulation in comparison to the long-headed Nordics and Meds. He's even gone so far to make an Alpinophile messageboard, where he and maybe two other poor souls are the only members. It's my opinion that QVP is just a disillusioned broadhead who feels left out in the midst of the battle going on between Nordicists and Mediterraneans and has decided that his racial type is the most progressive in reality. What a convenient surprise! I find him very amusing and hope he sticks around.