Racialism question

[SensoUnico]

nockwaswrong on this one. Afrocentrism is older than Medicism which is a satire, a spoof and it seems to have gone right over the heads of some. Alpinism is some sort of bad joke, no? Nordicism existed more than 100 years ago. Afrocentrism probably since the Kennedy era and the flowering of the civil rights movement in the USA. It is just about totally limited to black Americans and those who want to live in the looking back at the past to which I and no-one I know contributed to. To put it simply it was before my time. What is in my time is the racism and ethnic cleansing that has taken place in the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Burundi, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Indonesia, East Timor and many other places. Trying to end racism or ethnic hatreds now is more relevent than pandering to the noises coming from a comparatory well-off people in the richest country in the world. It is offensive to demean the inhabitants of North Africa or indicate that parts of Africa have been ethnically cleansed of negroids by West Asians or that Europeans dislike the idea of negroids being intelligent so much that they would falsify, deface, repaint, destroy any indication of negroid presence in ancient Egypt. Africans in this forum have been basically told they are not real Africans, do not know what they are talking about and been told more or less they are not natives of Africa. Afrocentrism is offensive in all meanings of that word. And yes it is aggressive. By the way, Africa consists of many sub races, ethnic groups and races other than NE Africans and North Africans. How about giving them some time.

[nockwasright]

SensoUnico said:

nockwaswrong on this one. Afrocentrism is older than Medicism which is a satire, a spoof and it seems to have gone right over the heads of some. Alpinism is some sort of bad joke, no?

Actually that's what I said. Medicism and Alpism aren't attacked because they are not important, not beacause they are rational or acceptable.
BTW it was Albert Jay Nock, the libertarian philosopher, who was right. I may well be wrong all of the times

[mike2]

Charlie makes an excellent point. Afrocentrism was originally defensive, but Nordicism has always been an outright offensive doctrine. Pure propaganda from the get-go. Afrocentrism wasn't always about black Egypt or black Olmecs.

[alexandrian]

Mike said:

Afrocentrism wasn't always about black Egypt or black Olmecs.

Now that it is, it is as bad, if not worse than Nordicism. I say worse because afrocentrism is politically correct and can thus manifest itself in the media and popular thought. Nordicists are now dismissed as racial crazies, wehreas AFrocentrists are given the light of day. Only in today's society would no one raise objection about a black woman being cast as a Persian princess. I'd like to see what would happen if we put Omar Sharif or Tony Shalhoub as Shaka Zulu, I don' think black Africans would be happy about that. It's the same exact thing.

[topdog]

SensoUnico said:

Afrocentrism probably since the Kennedy era and the flowering of the civil rights movement in the USA. It is just about totally limited to black Americans and those who want to live in the looking back at the past to which I and no-one I know contributed to.

Incorrect, there were numerous types of movements closely related or similar to Afrocentrism- the defensive type that is, such as negritude founded by an Senegalese man named Leopold Senghor and Carter G. Woodson established Black History Week, which eventually became Black History Month, all before the Kennedy era. During the Kennedy Era, there was a push to have Black Studies Departments in Colleges because the history of American blacks and Africans was very limited and what was there was distorted. Out of this you did have some extremist elements who stretched and broke the realm of objectivity, but Afrocentrism in itself was not created to 'steal' people's civilisations or make everyone black. Whatever the extremist elements are saying today, it was nothing like the beginning when the total purpose of Afrocentrism was to erase and repudiate distortions and lies about black American and African history.

[topdog]

Alexandrian said:

Now that it is, it is as bad, if not worse than Nordicism. I say worse because afrocentrism is politically correct and can thus manifest itself in the media and popular thought. Nordicists are now dismissed as racial crazies, wehreas AFrocentrists are given the light of day. Only in today's society would no one raise objection about a black woman being cast as a Persian princess. I'd like to see what would happen if we put Omar Sharif or Tony Shalhoub as Shaka Zulu, I don' think black Africans would be happy about that. It's the same exact thing.

The most mainstream of Afrocentrists simply believe that blacks played a part in Ancient Egypt, which is true by all accounts. Denying this isn't going to change this fact. No one raised any objections when blacks were portrayed as slaves in Egypt and white European and white American characters played the part of native Egyptians. To me, that is objectional because it goes against all factual history[Egypt having black slaves only and white European-looking Egyptian masters, even the assertion that slaves built the pyramids] and pysical anthropology[AEs were ***not*** white European looking peoples]. The emphasis should be placed on repudiating distortions, not wholistically attacking an ideology because of the distortions of a few extremist elements. Not all of Afrocentrism is bad.

[SensoUnico]

Sorry guys. I do not believe the conspiratorial theory of the distortion of the history of negroids. The most, hard done by, humans have been Australian Aborigines. Declared to be a remnant of H.erectus, totally wiped of any achievements and regarded more as animal vermin in human form not even fit for slavery. At least negroid people have been accepted as modern humans. What about the Romanies. They have been treated far worse than any negroids and they are caucasoids. Afrocentrism is just a big chip on the shoulders of black Americans. It is time to grow up, stop being victims and blaming others for your inabilities. The saying is when the going gets tough the tough get going.

[topdog]

SensoUnico said:

Afrocentrism is just a big chip on the shoulders of black Americans. It is time to grow up, stop being victims and blaming others for your inabilities. The saying is when the going gets tough the tough get going.

Afrocentrism is about correcting distortions of African and black American history and culture, not blaming others for our 'inabilities'(?). Thats a strawman.

[Criollo]

Charlie said:

I have noticed tons of racialist sites, e.g., 'Nordish Portal, Alpish, and of course this forum which has a pro-Southern Euro theme to it. Why the need to base

pro-Southern Euro theme? This site has alot of non-whites and non-Southern Europeans people in it if anything this forum is pro berber. I mean even muslims post here the eternal enemies of western Europe.

[SensoUnico]

Criollo there are lots of different people here, is that a problem?

"Afrocentrism is about correcting distortions of African and black American history and culture, not blaming others for our 'inabilities'(?). Thats a strawman".

What? Correcting distortions by lying, inventing Black Athena's, telling African natives that they are Arab immigrants, distorting the history of all northern, some NE African countries, South Arabian countries and Southern European countries. There are no distortions to African history, there are no rechiseling of supposedly negroid looking carvings to appear caucasoid, there has been no wholesale burning of negroid mummia as firewood, nothing just a lot of paranoid fantasies from well-off people in the world's richest country about the nasty White man and how he robbed negroid race of their rightful place in the African sun. Strawmen! Afrocentrism is the strawman.