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Post by Batrus on Nov 2, 2005 15:43:00 GMT -5
Well I didn't know that about west africans and i'm glad tobe more acquianted about it.
I admit a certain partiality as i live in a country with many people with amerindian blood and have many friends that are like that.
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 2, 2005 15:51:51 GMT -5
In the old world (asia, europe africa), in general, agriculture, writing, iron working, any groundbreaking discovery you can think off, were not discovered individually by all civilizations, but just once, and later spread around the world by diffusion.
In the americas they didnt have that benefit,
mmmkay, the reason why native american civilizations were so impressive is their isolation, all they knew, they had to invent/discover themselves alone, in fact the central american civilizations (aztec, maya, olmecs) and andean civilizations (inca, nazca, tiwanaku) were not even aware of each other.
The americas were like another planet, indeed, a new world
Mali, or Shongai instead, were islamic civilizations which traded with north Africa, Europe and the middle east, not isolated at all.
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Post by azure on Nov 2, 2005 16:31:56 GMT -5
I'm going to have to go with "Black Sub Saharans".  |
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Post by mmmkay on Nov 2, 2005 16:59:37 GMT -5
Really? Your from germany right? Celtic architecture  Viking civic engineering "black Sub-saharan" sudan  ethiopia  kenya   Was'nt sumeria isolated? In the sense that there we no contemporary equals. Everybody has to start somewhere. Nevertheless there are theories floating around right now of possible contact with the mediteranean world prior to columbus. Though I admit, pre-columbian native american accomplishments were certainly impressive, despite the fact that they still worked stone and copper. |
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 2, 2005 17:45:24 GMT -5
Sumeria wasnt really isolated, they traded with egypt, the levant, asia minor, hindus valley, and as far as afghanistan. Everybody has to start somewhere, but lets say that it is easier to develop a high civilization in a place that already has a high density of them (say middle east), than in an isolated land with less resources (say new zeland or the americas). Europeans for instance didnt learn farming or how to write by themselves |
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Post by Batrus on Nov 2, 2005 21:35:17 GMT -5
well "linear a" was completely minoic. Althought "linear b" was based in phoenixian writtings.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 2, 2005 21:37:16 GMT -5
I'm going to have to go with "Black Sub Saharans". Ever heard of Mali?  How about a little kingdom called Songhai?  |
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 2, 2005 23:31:16 GMT -5
In Civilization IV you can now play with Mali
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Post by Yankel on Nov 2, 2005 23:35:44 GMT -5
Really? Your from germany right? Celtic architecture Viking civic engineering What do the Celts have to do with Germany?  And that's civil* engineering. I don't think anyone is denying that Germans have a barbaric history. It's a source of pride for many. Modern German history is rather impressive, also. Why let one person's opinion affect your objectivity? |
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Post by Educate Me on Nov 2, 2005 23:53:42 GMT -5
south germany was quite celtic, in fact I think the original celts are form that area, la tene is in switzerland, and hallstat in austria if I recall correctly.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 3, 2005 0:05:59 GMT -5
As ridiculous as the poll is to begin with, I can't believe that sub-Saharans have 15 votes and Australoids have only two. I can name black African civilizations without even thinking-- Mali, Ghana, Songhai, Nubia, Kush, Aksum, Great Zimbabwe... but I can't name one, NOT ONE Australoid civilization. And yet somehow Negroids are considered less intelligent by the greater number? All this poll does is reveal anti-black and anti-Nordic bias. End rant.
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Post by Yankel on Nov 3, 2005 0:41:54 GMT -5
south germany was quite celtic, in fact I think the original celts are form that area, la tene is in switzerland, and hallstat in austria if I recall correctly. It seems you're correct. My understanding of German history is seriously lacking. |
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Post by Batrus on Nov 3, 2005 9:54:19 GMT -5
As ridiculous as the poll is to begin with, I can't believe that sub-Saharans have 15 votes and Australoids have only two. I can name black African civilizations without even thinking-- Mali, Ghana, Songhai, Nubia, Kush, Aksum, Great Zimbabwe... but I can't name one, NOT ONE Australoid civilization. And yet somehow Negroids are considered less intelligent by the greater number? All this poll does is reveal anti-black and anti-Nordic bias. End rant. USA thinking. |
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Post by Hairless on Nov 3, 2005 10:31:27 GMT -5
As ridiculous as the poll is to begin with, I can't believe that sub-Saharans have 15 votes and Australoids have only two. I can name black African civilizations without even thinking-- Mali, Ghana, Songhai, Nubia, Kush, Aksum, Great Zimbabwe... but I can't name one, NOT ONE Australoid civilization. And yet somehow Negroids are considered less intelligent by the greater number? All this poll does is reveal anti-black and anti-Nordic bias. End rant. USA thinking. And yet, as usual, the response does not address his comments  |
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Post by Batrus on Nov 3, 2005 10:53:56 GMT -5
Yes it does, and i can't see how you don't realize.
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And that's civil* engineering. 