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Post by Freehuey on Mar 23, 2005 14:03:08 GMT -5
There is much torturing and killing done by all the races. I think what Freehuey is speaking of is the phenomenon of the modern American serial killer. My theory is that there are more 'disturbed loner types' among White American males. Maybe I'm wrong, but despite problems minority groups have in America, maybe they have a more tight-knit community identity---creating less lone wolf types, so my theory is that it is a cultural phenomenon rather than a racial/genetic one. Well then you have Jack the Ripper, he was English right?
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Post by murphee on Mar 23, 2005 14:09:32 GMT -5
Yes. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Freehuey on Mar 23, 2005 14:14:13 GMT -5
And I often wonder if the media is also responsible, they never portray Serial Killers in thrillers to be anything other than White males between the ages of say 25-40...
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Post by murphee on Mar 23, 2005 14:25:27 GMT -5
Hard to say. I consider serial killers to be freakish and rare, yet the media really plays them up. On a personal level, I find the timing of this discussion odd as yesterday, I was reading my college alumni magazine on-line. I found out that there was actually a serial killer stalking the campus while I was a student, and he raped and killed a student a few years after I graduated. It was his first murder, and he went on to kill more people in other locales. cornell-magazine.cornell.edu/Currentissue/features/Feature2.htmlI don't usually pay much attention to weird crimes, except when I come across information on the news. However, I was interested more than usual in the Manson killings of 1969, mainly because of the flavor of the cultural happenings of the times.
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Post by Human on Mar 23, 2005 14:59:27 GMT -5
There is much torturing and killing done by all the races. I think what Freehuey is speaking of is the phenomenon of the modern American serial killer. My theory is that there are more 'disturbed loner types' among White American males. Maybe I'm wrong, but despite problems minority groups have in America, maybe they have a more tight-knit community identity---creating less lone wolf types, so my theory is that it is a cultural phenomenon rather than a racial/genetic one. this does not only happen in US. it is reported world wide in all sorts of ethnicities. but in those societies where there is caucasoid presence, then the male caucasoid serial killer group outnumber the other serial killers who belong to other ethnicities (any forensic scientific literature will report this). it looks like indeed male caucasoids tend to become, in many cases, lone wolves. in a mixed society as Brasil the worst serial killers were full blown caucasoids (Lúcio Flávio, a very intelligent man, is an example which comes to my mind).
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Post by Human on Mar 23, 2005 16:34:21 GMT -5
here is a 'botie boer' (as he liked to call himself) south african serial killer. note the high frequency of serial killers in violent south african society, with a significant higher frequency among white south africans, be them english, afrikaner, whatever. this is story i found at the link Murphee provided us with. Stewart Wilken presents an interesting case because he killed two distinct types of victims. Serial killers almost invariably target victims who share certain characteristics, which may be anything from their physical appearance to their vocation to something as mundane as wearing high heels. They do this because it provides them with an emotional release. Ted Bundy killed young, attractive women. Jeffrey Dahmer killed homosexual men. Andrei Chikatilo killed children of both sexes. Stewart Wilken killed adult female prostitutes and early adolescent boys. Like all serial killers, there was a deep psychological motive underlying his choice of victims. Africa map, w South Africa highlighted chapter continues advertisement Port Elizabeth is a large town on the east coast of South Africa, a country known for gold, apartheid and Nelson Mandela. It is also the country with the second highest number of serial killers, after the United States (Pistorius, 2000), although this is a lesser-known fact. By the beginning of 1997, at least eight people had already been killed by the same man over a seven-year period in Port Elizabeth, or PE, as it is generally referred to by South Africans. However, no one had connected all the cases. Port Elizabeth, S Africa But Stewart Wilken finally made a mistake. On January 22, 1997, a 12-year-old boy named Henry Bakers disappeared. His mother, Ellen Bakers, was not concerned, as the boy frequently stayed over at his grandmother's house in nearby Missionvale, which is walking distance from their home in Algoa Park. However, when he did not arrive home by Thursday evening, she became uneasy. On Friday morning, she went to her mother's house, only to hear that Henry had left for home on Wednesday. He had been missing for two days. The Child Protection Unit was contacted and Sgt. Ursula Barnard began to investigate the case. She discovered Henry had been at his mother's house on Wednesday afternoon, after which he played with a friend at a nearby park. The friend told her that he had to go and buy milk for his parents and later saw Henry with a man called Stewart Wilken in Dyke Way. He asked Henry where he was going and the man said that it was none of his business. Wilken was known to both Henry and Ellen Bakers, and had even lived at her mother's for a while after he had had some marital problems. Sgt. Barnard set out to find Stewart Wilken, which was problematic because he did not have a fixed address. She was informed by a colleague that Wilken's daughter, Wuane, had disappeared in 1995, and that there were also two charges of sodomy being investigated against him. Like Henry Bakers, Wuane was last seen in Wilken's company. The sodomy charges were filed by his parents-in-law in connection with the two sons of his second wife, Victoria. Stewart Wilken Sgt. Barnard arrested Wilken on January 28, 1997, and questioned him. He appeared genuinely concerned about the missing boy and eager to help. He told Sgt. Barnard that he had indeed been with Henry for a while on that Wednesday, but he knew nothing about his disappearance. In fact, Wilken alleged that he had spent the night at a lady friend's house. He was released. The alibi turned out to be false, and Wilken was rearrested on January 31, 1997. The Child Protection Unit approached Sgt. Derrick Norsworthy of the Murder and Robbery Unit. He had been trained by Dr. Micki Pistorius, South Africa's first psychological profiler, in the investigation of serial murder, which included advanced interviewing and interrogation techniques. South African police logo Sgt. Norsworthy had Wilken brought to his office, where the latter introduced himself as "Boetie Boer" ("Brother Farmer"), the name by which he was generally known. Sgt. Norsworthy sat Wilken down in a chair facing a photograph of the sergeant's daughter, who was almost the same age as Wuane had been. He left Wilken alone for a while. Upon his return, he found Wilken staring at the photograph. Sgt. Norsworthy drew Wilken's attention to the framed certificates on his wall, signifying that he had successfully completed training as an investigator of serial homicide. Wilken's eyes found the photograph once more. Sgt. Norsworthy told Wilken that he knew he had killed the two children. He also knew that Wilken had revisited the bodies to fantasize and commit necrophilia. Wilken was silent, then his eyes drew on slits and he stretched out his hands. "I am sick," he said. Then, he admitted that he had killed both his daughter, Wuane, and Henry Bakers. In fact, he had returned to the decomposing body of the boy that very morning to have sex with it. Here is the link: www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/stewart_wilken/index.html
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Post by Freehuey on Mar 23, 2005 17:11:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the article Human, there is sooo much to process on that site.
I think we should look at this from a cultural angle, perhaps the individuals who kill have a certain upbrining that shifts them towards this type of behavior.
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Post by Human on Mar 23, 2005 17:29:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the article Human, there is sooo much to process on that site. I think we should look at this from a cultural angle, perhaps the individuals who kill have a certain upbrining that shifts them towards this type of behavior. you are welcome ! as i said in another thread (that one about intelligence) i think if one can fully integrate in society, be productive, and have a happy life than race issues are not that important. these cases are so sad, so much bad thing going on...
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Mar 24, 2005 7:46:16 GMT -5
to be more precise, its the mental ill male caucasoids who commonly comprise the serial killer group (read any scientific book on serial killer phenomenon). white females, generally speaking, having nothing whatsoever to do with it. Poppycock. White females can either carry the gene, or are part of the societal equation that creates the condition. You can't duck the charge on a gender plea. So why are there disproportionate numbers of caucasions mass murderers? ...Especially the spooky premeditated kind? Tough to say. But it's true. I've heard the lone wolf theory, and it applies a lot. But sometimes it doesn't. Like the Kansas man who was murdering for decades, and was living a family life. Or Ted Bundy, who was well educated, maried, and reasonably successful. There's even some serial killers who pair up, like Henry Lucas and Ottis Toole. It's more complicated then the lone-wolf theory. The age is pretty predictable. 30's, and 40's. So is the sex, ...usually male. And yes, the race, most often is caucasian. ...But there may be a correlation to being in the dominant socio-economic ethnic group as well. ...Hate to lean on the "under-reported" argument, because it's so pathetic. But it is caucasion countries that have the most developed systems of law and order to account for these kinds of crimes. In an effort of multicultural awareness, let's not forget that mass murders can be of any ethnicity. Asahara Shoko... Japan's Charles Manson. Leader of the doomsday Cult that used chemical and biological attacks to kill innocent civilians. ![](http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_98/c.jpg) Colin Ferguson... the Long Island Rail Road killer ![](http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/psychology/insanity/4b.jpg) Rafael Resendez... the Railway Killer ![](http://www.cnn.com/US/9906/24/serial.mo/link.ramirez.new.mug.jpg)
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 24, 2005 11:49:46 GMT -5
<<Crimson fly back to your cave, and try to find your penis.... >> Why are you in dire need of one? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Keep your gay comments to yourself.
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Post by k5125 on Mar 24, 2005 12:44:16 GMT -5
Go to black africa and see how they kill you their. I hate to admit it, but you do have a damn good point.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 24, 2005 13:11:19 GMT -5
Well i wasnt saying it to be racist,but its the truth...they butcher and rape people over their very gruesomely.
Mass atrocities which make these serial killers look like quire boys when compared.
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Post by Human on Mar 24, 2005 13:26:35 GMT -5
serial killers constitute a fairly specific phenomenon.
they dont have anything to do with mass murder, genocide, etc etc.
on this respect the Europeans have a rather awful record too.
an obvious example, dating back only 50/60 or so: Auschwitz, as carrying people into previously designed places and then intentionally destroy them in such a way the 'so high' Germans did is unprecedented and shocking. Again, it took place only a couple of years back (a-ma-zing !), and all that stupid rhetoric which served as the abominable 'intellectual' ground is well alive...
as far as i know mass scale genocide as great as the holocaust (there were plenty of others in europe as well, like the fratricide bloody civil religious war, again in Germany, by the time of protestantism advent), and as in a such a way industrialised and cold blooded inplemented are unheard of in sub saharan Africa. you have eternal wars between tribes there, with huge casualties, and ethnic cleansing, but i dont find it in the slightest as terrific as what some Europeans have done up until very recently.
again, this whole subject has nothing to do with the serial killer phenomenon, which according to any scientific literature achieves a higher frequency among male caucasoids.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 24, 2005 13:42:37 GMT -5
I was originally talking about how they kill you,not specificly mass murders suchs as uniform genocide .
The shear numbers of Murders over their in Africa that have nothing to do with Military Genocide is staggering,which is again what i was mainly talking about aswel.
Its still considered astrocities cause of the lawlessness,is it not?
But serial killers do murder a mass number of people,dont they?
Serial killers are really a minority of crimminals even though they are the most publicized,the greater number of killings and other acts of crimmianlity which blacks do make a up a large part of .
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Post by Freehuey on Mar 24, 2005 14:53:57 GMT -5
<<Crimson fly back to your cave, and try to find your penis.... >> Why are you in dire need of one? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Keep your gay comments to yourself. You're just trailer trash and you know it....why else would you be so jealous ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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