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Post by murphee on Mar 10, 2005 22:00:24 GMT -5
Faelcind, I agree with you about what you say about the East and West Coasts. On the East Coast, White people were very aware of the different ethnicities. People would freely ask what 'you were,' and it was common to have extended conversations about the different backrounds. On the West Coast, it seems that people very rarely care or ask. Where I live, there aren't many Italians or Jews--so very different from where I used to live.
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Post by buddyrydell on Mar 10, 2005 23:43:25 GMT -5
Faelcind, I agree with you about what you say about the East and West Coasts. On the East Coast, White people were very aware of the different ethnicities. People would freely ask what 'you were,' and it was common to have extended conversations about the different backrounds. On the West Coast, it seems that people very rarely care or ask. Where I live, there aren't many Italians or Jews--so very different from where I used to live. Interesting analysis Murphee. That definitely makes sense since far more people on the East Coast are "ethnic." I imagine most white Americans on the West Coast are of mainly northwest European ancestry. Most people at my school are also pretty open about discussing ethnicity, and we have people from mostly the Northeast (PA, NY, NJ more than elsewhere).
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 11, 2005 1:05:00 GMT -5
I agree with you buddy that irish and italians have allot of cultural similarities though were a bit more sexual compuncted which has made the relationship betweent the sexes not as nice in genereal it seems though that appears to be changing. Oh and we can't fecking cook at all, I joke that I am ethnically irish but culinarily italian, thats one part of my heritage I don't want to carry on.
On the west coast thing. In california there is wider variety of ethnicities but all white ethnicities seem to be considered pretty similar theres less retention of tradition everone is sort of waspized in alot of ways as their are fewer enclaves were its easy to carry on ethnic tradition. In the northwest the the british, german, scandinavian dutch complex is so predominate ethnicity hardly matters. For the most part though if you don't wasp you considered Italian or Mexican even though theirs very few italians around here(must be from TV). I found that allot of Gaelic irish types are thought to be ethnic(i.e italian or something) around here.
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Post by nockwasright on Mar 11, 2005 3:54:52 GMT -5
MrRuffalo: there is no Protestant movement in Northern Italy. As you can see (http://www.viaggio-in-germania.de/popolazione.html) Protestant religion in Italy is 0% (one estimate is 300.000 followers, probably all not ethnically Italian).
I also think that there is some affinity between Irishmen and Italians, above all they are more extrovert than Northwest European.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 11, 2005 9:15:03 GMT -5
Tautamo: <<Italians where discrimnated in America becuase they where dark and spoke nonenglish that is a fact you are going to have to deal with.>> OK tough guy relax.The Italians race is not all dark,get your head outve of your ass. << dude why do you deny your latin med darkskin >> What the hell is this supposed to mean?Is this with a tan?Since when does being a latin + dark Skin? I do not have dark skin and neither does my family. Italians are mainly made up of Alpines , Dinaric's,and Meditterrean . Italian where discrimated against for numerious reasons cause they where immigrants,xenophobia,fear and jealously where really the biggest culprits not the color of their hair or tone of their skin.But italian werent the only ones,the Poles,Jews,Germans,Greeks where all concidered inferior to the already established WASP's and sterertypes where created for them. Now someone on this board once posted British Propanganda which was calling the Irish negro's,and had illustrations comparing them,In fact they where called the negro's of the white race at one point. I couldnt give a rats ass what B.S stats you dig up,because its simply not true and complete rubbish.I dont deal with fiction and stereotype's. Brown hair & Eyes is the most common in all of Europe.The British isles also are moslty Atlanto-Meds themselves.
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Post by ginojda on Mar 11, 2005 11:58:45 GMT -5
Tautamo: <<Italians where discrimnated in America becuase they where dark and spoke nonenglish that is a fact you are going to have to deal with.>> OK tough guy relax.The Italians race is not all dark,get your head outve of your ass. << dude why do you deny your latin med darkskin >> What the hell is this supposed to mean?Is this with a tan?Since when does being a latin + dark Skin? I do not have dark skin and neither does my family. Italians are mainly made up of Alpines , Dinaric's,and Meditterrean . Italian where discrimated against for numerious reasons cause they where immigrants,xenophobia,fear and jealously where really the biggest culprits not the color of their hair or tone of their skin.But italian werent the only ones,the Poles,Jews,Germans,Greeks where all concidered inferior to the already established WASP's and sterertypes where created for them. Now someone on this board once posted British Propanganda which was calling the Irish negro's,and had illustrations comparing them,In fact they where called the negro's of the white race at one point. I couldnt give a rats ass what B.S stats you dig up,because its simply not true and complete rubbish.I dont deal with fiction and stereotype's. Brown hair & Eyes is the most common in all of Europe.The British isles also are moslty Atlanto-Meds themselves. I think you should read your history books, read "Created Equal volume II" it's all there what Tautamo said . And no one is saying that Italians are dark like mestizo's or ME's or non caucasoid. Some Italians were even lynched along with African Americans in the south.
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Post by Human on Mar 11, 2005 12:06:21 GMT -5
why were they lynched? why? if for racial reasons that only proves how racialized the US is, even when compared to South Africa, under certain angles.
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Post by ginojda on Mar 11, 2005 12:27:28 GMT -5
why were they lynched? why? if for racial reasons that only proves how racialized the US is, even when compared to South Africa, under certain angles. For various reasons. Sometimes for as little as hooking up and having relations with "white" wasp women just like African Americans were lynched sometimes because of that.
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Post by ginojda on Mar 11, 2005 12:33:27 GMT -5
Don't worry Crimson, Spaniards have it way worse than Italians ever will. Most people here in Texas believe Spanish is another human race. lol
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Post by Tautamo on Mar 11, 2005 14:42:05 GMT -5
thanks for lets us know youre paranoid
No one said dark swarthy skin is not part of the european race.but you just showed us your insecurities.
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Post by captainusa1 on Mar 12, 2005 1:55:24 GMT -5
why were they lynched? why? Suspected Mafia members were lynched in retaliation for the murder of an Irish American official in New Orleans. Both Blacks and Whites took part in the vigilantism. I believe that this is the only case in which Italians were attacked like this in the South. Just saying that Italians were lynched is very misleading.
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Post by captainusa1 on Mar 12, 2005 1:59:51 GMT -5
For various reasons. Sometimes for as little as hooking up and having relations with "white" wasp women just like African Americans were lynched sometimes because of that. Bullshit! Give some proof that Italians were lynched for things like that.
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Post by buddyrydell on Mar 12, 2005 3:12:30 GMT -5
Suspected Mafia members were lynched in retaliation for the murder of an Irish American official in New Orleans. Both Blacks and Whites took part in the vigilantism. I believe that this is the only case in which Italians were attacked like this in the South. Just saying that Italians were lynched is very misleading. Actually I believe a few Italians were lynched in Louisiana (besides for the murder of the police officer) due to the fact that Italians freely mingled with blacks and served them as customers, which went against the prevailing attitudes and practices of white Southerners at the time. The physical appearance of Italians had less to do with it than their attitudes/practices, and also the Catholic religion in a mostly Protestant South.
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Post by captainusa1 on Mar 12, 2005 4:20:48 GMT -5
Actually I believe a few Italians were lynched in Louisiana (besides for the murder of the police officer) due to the fact that Italians freely mingled with blacks and served them as customers, which went against the prevailing attitudes and practices of white Southerners at the time. The physical appearance of Italians had less to do with it than their attitudes/practices, and also the Catholic religion in a mostly Protestant South. I don't believe that for a second. Sources?
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Post by KULL on Apr 13, 2005 13:57:19 GMT -5
dude why do you deny your latin med darkskin? Yes Italians by in large are DARKER THAN IRISH! I partially disagree . Central-southern italians are notably darker than the irish, this is true. Although, the "pure" Northern italian population is not far from Ireland in terms of pigmentation. This is sure. You probably say this cause the major part of italian americans are from southern Itlay.......................
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