who are the most race obssessed people?

[Faelcind]

If you look at most nation and tribes orginal name for themselves you'll find an astonishing number simply mean "the people, or the real people' with everone else falling in the not fully human category the others. Humans have natural tendency too have ingroup outgroup dichotomies and its not limited to race the japanese bitterly discriminated against the Hisabetsu Buraku who were racial identical. Not to mention norther ireland or in less extreme form your average high school.

[Faelcind]

Joton come on don't be naive non nonwhite has ever killed someone else because of perceived racial differences. Ever heard of Rwanda, or Burundi. No human folly is the sole position of any one group its just that history has placed some groups in a position more able to excercise their follies.

[joton]

you are right it is a generalization but most of the race related violence is a whity influenced effect.

[Faelcind]

Read more ethnographies were ever you go in history people have had a tendecy to treat each other rotten. The japenese treatment of Buraku certainly can not be blaimed on europeans, neither can the actions of the Han chinese vs, tibetans and the many other ethnic minorities in their countries. Race related violence is just stupid human violence trying to blame it on one group only causes the type of hatred and distrust that prepetuate it. You can blame whitey or you can try to get the real roots of the problem and try to do your best to help solve it.

[Josh]

Joton said:

you are right but others did not kill people because of it.

Along with what Faelcind mentioned, the Aztecs sacrificed people of the groups they ruled over. Also, do you think that the Mongols and Huns believed in racial equality?

[nockwasright]

Falecind: it is not sure the Burakunin aren't ethincally different from the Japanese (see Cavalli Sforza quoting Omoto, the areas populated by Burakunin give odd values, and C.S. makes the hypotesis they may be related with Ainu), it would be really surprising such discrimination without an ethnic difference (by the way: if there is someone who knows more about the Burakunin, please open a thread: the subject is amazing).

Joton: you are wrong all the line. First is the one who thinks he is inferior who hates (as Nietsche pointed out).
Second I can remember only this (some of them controversial) attempted genocides: German/Jews (whites/whites); Turks/Armenians (w/w); Utu/Tutsi (b/b); Iraki/Kurds (w/w) Chinese/Tibetans going on NOW (m/m); Black residens of Botswana/White residents of Botswana (b/w) going on now.
I don't recall any attempt to eliminate a non white population by a white population (don't try it with Amerindians: there never was a conscious attempt).

Things are exactly the other way round: racism and violence against the perceived "different" is the rule for all mankind in all history. Only now and only in the Western World this is changing.

[Human]

to be more precise and objective this question could go as follows:

which societies/countries have separated people according to their racial status?

i mean, which societies/countries have established clear cut separations between those were labelled to belong to one race and other and other?

as far as i know, i recall three countries who have had a clear opened segregating police: the US (until the 60s or so, legally speaking); South Africa (until even more recently; everyone knows about the apartheid) and India (with the caste system, which is much older, and some argue not racially based, which i disagree).

all three have a common element: caucasoid people deliberately segregating others with the objective of not mixing, and the basic assumption of superiority underneath.

can you help me with other examples, preferably non caucasoids openly and legally discriminating others as in the examples above?

[Jose]

The Countries who are most race obsessed have very bad societys


Americans
Brasilians

[Tautamo]

Jewish people ( the practicing ones.)

back then it was the only way they could survive and keep they traditions alive.

[Faelcind]

Human there are lots of similar schemes in africa too. Tutsi, Hutu Twa, basically everwhere pgymies were discriminated against. And bantu, hottentot, Kung was similar in south africa.

Nock thats really interesting I had read they were ethnically identical but I wouldn't be suprised if you were right, it could also be that the too disciminated groups(Ainu and Buraku) mixed more because the were both discriminated against hell you could add Koreans into that mix you might get some abnormal values. I would love to see a thread on them to my knowledge on the subject is sketchy at best.

[Slick]

Josh said:

Along with what Faelcind mentioned, the Aztecs sacrificed people of the groups they ruled over. Also, do you think that the Mongols and Huns believed in racial equality?

That was more cultural I would have thought, offered as sacrificial "lambs" to appease their dieties. Don't think it had anything to do with "race", hate or feelings of superiority.

[Slick]

Faelcind said:

Joton come on don't be naive non nonwhite has ever killed someone else because of perceived racial differences. Ever heard of Rwanda, or Burundi. No human folly is the sole position of any one group its just that history has placed some groups in a position more able to excercise their follies.

Weren't those silly differences created by European colonists in the first place? I think they call it "divide and conquer" a weapon used to control a subjugated group.

[Human]

Observer said:

That was more cultural I would have thought, offered as sacrificial "lambs" to appease their dieties. Don't think it had anything to do with "race", hate or feelings of superiority.

sure.

the key to this topic is violence/segregation/discrimination based solely on racial grounds, not cultural differences between racially equivalent groups (like tutsis and hutus, eg).

on this respect, as far as i know, u.s, south africa and india comes to mind quickly.

at the other thread i was surprised that italians and african americans were lynched by 'white' north americans at the past because of going out with girls (see ginojda comments on irish/italian stuff). this is really unprecedented. take into account many of those lynchers were not 'pure' whites (most probably had some fairly recent native american great greatparent or something).

[Hallam]

Josh said:

Everyone in the past probably thought themselves to be the most superior. It's hardly limited to whites.

We also have to disti9nguish cultural centrism and cultural superiority to racial. Big difference.

[Hallam]

Faelcind said:

Read more ethnographies were ever you go in history people have had a tendecy to treat each other rotten. The japenese treatment of Buraku certainly can not be blaimed on europeans, neither can the actions of the Han chinese vs, tibetans and the many other ethnic minorities in their countries.

The Han never systematically discriminated against Tibetans nor any ethnicity. They did once kick out all foriegners because tehy were foriegners. And in the cultural revolution, all ancient "fuedal" culture, be they Han Confucian, Tibetan, Muslim etc, were purged. But that wasn't dicriminatory against any race or ethnicity by another race or ethnicity. It was commie cultural barbarism