Mutt
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Post by Mutt on Dec 31, 2004 9:09:10 GMT -5
This may have been posted already but here you go: www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00055DC8-3BAA-1FA8-BBAA83414B7F0000I think this article is a real cop out and whitewash about the facts of genetic race. It really irked me that they gave a bunch of facts about race but still say race doesn't exist. The reality is that race DOES exist and until we embrace that there will always be racial tension Im really sick of these bleeding heart Politically correct neo-hippie losers saying "I don't see race ". You don't have to strip away a person's race to acknowledge them as a person. Lets educate ourselves about race so we have a better understanding of each other. My $0.02
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Rocky
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Post by Rocky on Dec 31, 2004 12:28:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't be irked. Some people do not want to acknowledge the differences between humans as being anything more than a few genes having cosmetic effects. Essentially all humans are just mercedes with a different coat of paint.
Racial differences can be seen as racism by those people. Also they will state silly things like "There are sub Saharan Africans with skins no darker than Spaniards or Italians". Gee, that is making a big statement and rather untrue. In the statements that race is a concept, the pushers of that line come out with some silly things. How many sub saharran Africans, that is African negroes do you think have skin the same colour as Spaniards or Italians? Out of the millions of African negroes there may be a hundred like that.
Another factor in the no race argument is the belief that races are finite, that race mixing has not occurred previously and the lack of understanding how races are formed. Usually only skin pigmentation is what they consider. South Asians like Indians and Pakistanis are difficult for them to accept as caucasians because of their darker skin pigmentation. The article uses the sub saharan African and Australian Aborigine pigmentation argument. Another thing that throws them is the presence of negro-like people like Papuans and Melanesians.
There is nothing in the article that was new and it did not need 5 pages to state the no race argument. If it makes you feel better I accept that races exist. That article does not belong in a science magazine as it was not scientific but sociopolitical.
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Kame
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Post by Kame on Jan 26, 2005 18:46:04 GMT -5
"There are sub Saharan Africans with skins no darker than Spaniards or Italians". Gee, that is making a big statement and rather untrue. Miss Universe 1999, from Botswana,
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Kame
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Post by Kame on Jan 26, 2005 19:52:13 GMT -5
CIA world Factbook, Botswana is: Whites are barely even 1/20 of a population of 1.5 million, therefore it is safe to say that in all probability, she is not mixed at all, but rather a common type found in that area. here's another girl from botswana, Juby Peacock: photo.sohu.com/20041126/Img223197401.jpg[/img]
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Post by alexandrian on Jan 26, 2005 21:08:16 GMT -5
Juby Peacock does not sound like an AFrican name to me. More likely than not, she is of partial British heritage, and anyway, she certainly isn't as light as an Italian or Spaniard.
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Post by buddyrydell on Jan 26, 2005 22:18:40 GMT -5
"There are sub Saharan Africans with skins no darker than Spaniards or Italians". Gee, that is making a big statement and rather untrue. Miss Universe 1999, from Botswana, Don't tell me you honestly believe she's as light as a Spaniard or an Italian .
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Kame
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Post by Kame on Jan 27, 2005 0:28:22 GMT -5
www.fotograma.com/potros/antoniobanderas/antonio08g.jpg[/img]Antonio banderas (spanish movie stud) www.atlasf1.com/99/bel/grapevine4.jpg[/img]Flavio briatore, (Italian racing dude) And a more recent pic of Miss Botswana, in her new role as goodwill ambassador: Beyonce as fully african, is not related in any way to the discussion, I was talking about native, indigenous africans, and even so I know she is obviously mixed with European, I saw her mother who could pass for white. I'm not desperate or anything, I am simply showing you that "black" people as you know them, come in a range of looks, and do not stereotype them or say they have to be mixed to look different. Now on attractiveness is entirely different. In any case I consider unattractive women who show extreme or exxagerated features. I go for symmetry and proportion. An extreme nord-looking women is just as unattractive as an extreme "negroid" looking woman. Probably even more unattractive.
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Post by visigodo on Jan 27, 2005 1:15:42 GMT -5
Uh…Kame, I don’t know what your agenda is, but skin color does not make one “white” European. Besides the picture of Banderas you used was for a movie in which he was supposed to play a swarthy Mexican, so they darkened him up as much as possible. (Although he is pretty dark on his own) Here’s a photo of Banderas with another fellow Spaniard, Eddie Murphy. As you can see they are practically identical. (I think they both even got their kinky hair straightened for the photos)
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Post by alexandrian on Jan 27, 2005 1:37:22 GMT -5
Getting a darkened picture of the two swarthiest Europeans you could find (Banderas when he's been tanned up, and Flavo after a hot summer day at the racetrack) and then you find a picture of the lightest African (who isn't full) taken by a camera with great lighting...no comparison dude...I'm sorry to break this to you...but true black people are darker than Europeans, Middle Easterners, North AFricans, Latinos, Mongoloids, etc.
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Post by buddyrydell on Jan 27, 2005 2:14:47 GMT -5
Getting a darkened picture of the two swarthiest Europeans you could find (Banderas when he's been tanned up, and Flavo after a hot summer day at the racetrack) and then you find a picture of the lightest African (who isn't full) taken by a camera with great lighting...no comparison dude...I'm sorry to break this to you...but true black people are darker than Europeans, Middle Easterners, North AFricans, Latinos, Mongoloids, etc. I agree, and I understand that sub-Saharan Africans come in a wide variety of appearances and are far from identical. It's just that two obviously tanned southern Europeans are not the same skin tone as that woman. The woman has a natural light brownish-somewhat yellowish skin tone imo, quite characteristic of many who are a mix of European and sub-Saharan African. Nobody's being racist or anything and I apologize if I came on too strongly, but Flavio and Banderas have tans in those pics. It's pretty clear I think.
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Post by NuSapiens on Jan 27, 2005 11:01:27 GMT -5
Genetic evidence indicates that race does and doesn't exist on the genetic level. Geneticists discount race because it's not the only (and very often, far from the best) way of looking at the genetic evidence, and because they don't want their science to be misused by simple minded politicians with a social (racial) axe to grind.
Another reason is that geographical genetic variation is becoming an artifact of the past. Race doesn't exist in the same way it did in the pre-colonial era.
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Jan 27, 2005 18:19:51 GMT -5
Here’s a photo of Banderas with another fellow Spaniard, Eddie Murphy. As you can see they are practically identical. (I think they both even got their kinky hair straightened for the photos) That is hilarious, I can't stop laughing "fellow spaniard, Eddie Murphy." hahahahaha
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Post by Fleurs on Jan 30, 2005 18:24:24 GMT -5
That proves how racist they would be if they really were lighter then the darkest european
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Manga
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Post by Manga on Jan 31, 2005 0:13:42 GMT -5
That proves how racist they would be if they really were lighter then the darkest european Exactly, Fleurs is spot on!!
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Kame
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Post by Kame on Feb 4, 2005 18:57:14 GMT -5
yes lauryn hill is beautiful, feast your eyes on her
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