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Post by buddyrydell on Dec 22, 2004 16:45:25 GMT -5
Certainly Americans have problems distinguishing people's ancestry, but the majority of American girls are not blonde haired and blue-eyed. The vast majority are brunettes with brown eyes - some have streaked or bleached their hair - but while you may find many hazel-eyed ones, etc (mixed colour), blue is not that common anymore. It's funny how non-Whites always see more Nordic-looking people than there are, perhaps it's because they are the epitome of Whiteness - the embodiment of Western imperialism, capitalism, and prejudice. Unfortunately, one only has to look beyond the SS officers to see that the man running THAT show wasn't blonde-haired or blue-eyed. I can't really agree with this. There are still plenty of blond, blue-eyed Americans running around. I agree that the average white American isn't necessarily blond or even blue-eyed, and that people do dye their hair often, but I wouldn't say that the traits are rare at all. I mean maybe I say blond because my hair is much darker than the average white American (very dark brown), but the average white American is certainly of predominantly northern European descent. I'd say the average white American has light to medium brown hair (which is often blond in childhood), with blue to hazel eyes, with brown eyes as a very significant minority.
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Post by Rothstein on Dec 23, 2004 5:06:43 GMT -5
Buddyrydell when you say a very significant minority of white americans have brown eyes can you be more specific I mean percentage wise what is a significant minority to you.
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Post by Anja on Dec 23, 2004 18:25:57 GMT -5
i have a lot of blue-eyed friends...course i have a lot of brown-eyed ones also...i'm pretty much all northern european, but people think i'm jewish, and my ggrandma got told to move to the back of a bus in new orleans cause they thought she was black. some americans are good at distinguishing people, and face it, some sure as hell ain't!
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Post by buddyrydell on Dec 23, 2004 19:32:47 GMT -5
Buddyrydell when you say a very significant minority of white americans have brown eyes can you be more specific I mean percentage wise what is a significant minority to you. I can't really supply exact percentages, but I guess maybe 30%? Eyes within the blue to hazel range just seem more common to me. As far as hair color goes, it seems that a light to medium brownish color is most common, though blonds still comprise a large number of white Americans. Again, one's definition of "blond" varies according to the individual, being a dark-haired guy, mine's probably much more inclusive than someone who is very blond. I'd say most of my Euro-American friends look more on the northern to central European side, simply because that's the most common type of European-American. I should also mention that most of my Euro-American friends are of mixed European ethnicities, of which British, Irish, Italian, German, and Polish backgrounds seem to be the most represented ethnicities in my area (western PA). I also have quite a few Jewish friends (one has red hair and another is blond and blue-eyed as a matter of fact).
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Post by chicalocaisme on Dec 23, 2004 22:52:26 GMT -5
i have a lot of blue-eyed friends...course i have a lot of brown-eyed ones also...i'm pretty much all northern european, but people think i'm jewish, and my ggrandma got told to move to the back of a bus in new orleans cause they thought she was black. some americans are good at distinguishing people, and face it, some sure as hell ain't! if your grandma looks black you are not white. a white person cant look like someone black.
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Post by chicalocaisme on Dec 23, 2004 22:56:39 GMT -5
If you are 1 quarter semitic they werent really out of track, maybe their precision just upsets you... ;D one quarter isnt that much tho but still significant. people always wonder what nationality my family is. we must be ambiguous lol. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by chicalocaisme on Dec 23, 2004 22:58:12 GMT -5
1. People can't be "Arabic", Arabic is a language 2. Go away Arabic is both a race and a language.
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Post by Evan1211 on Dec 31, 2004 15:13:01 GMT -5
Since I live in the Eastern USA, I agree with Buddy that most people have a sort of dark teal color to their eyes. Hair is usually medium brown, and skin very pale. It is funny though, that if you stray from the norm at all, you are called a mexican. My dad has black hair and light brown skin and is often mistaken for mexican. He is of Irish-German descent.
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Post by murphee on Dec 31, 2004 15:49:22 GMT -5
It depends where in the US you're at. I grew up on the East Coast and I saw that where I lived, most Whites had brown hair and brown eyes. I live in a rural Western state now, and I see a higher percentage of natural blondes, but still, most Whites here have brown hair and brown eyes.
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Post by murphee on Dec 31, 2004 15:51:23 GMT -5
In Washington State and Texas, I saw a higher percentage of natural blondes with blue eyes.
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Post by slick on Dec 31, 2004 18:18:01 GMT -5
if your grandma looks black you are not white. a white person cant look like someone black. Not necessarily true. I had a professor who was of Italian descent, yet he could have easily pass for some light-skinned blacks simply because of his curly hair. There are some Jews who could easily pass for black or even Latino even though they are white.
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Post by Fleurs on Dec 31, 2004 18:25:18 GMT -5
Except for blinds,(no offence) it s simply bullsh1t Come on, blacks & white`s diffrerences are not just hair and skin, what about lips, nose, body structure, muscles, hands... if someone can be confused as black there must be some black influence in his veins.
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Post by buddyrydell on Dec 31, 2004 21:45:20 GMT -5
Except for blinds,(no offence) it s simply bullsh1t Come on, blacks & white`s diffrerences are not just hair and skin, what about lips, nose, body structure, muscles, hands... if someone can be confused as black there must be some black influence in his veins. I think Vibe was only commenting on the extremely mixed character of some American blacks. Many have a large amount of European ancestry so that they could also pass for white as well. She certainly wasn't stating that Italians and Jews are non-white. Besides, the concept of race here in America is so screwed up sometimes that it used to be if one had curly hair or deviated in any way from the standard Euro-American look of a mainly western European appearance, that person would be deemed as mixed! Pretty insane huh?
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Post by buddyrydell on Dec 31, 2004 21:51:36 GMT -5
It depends where in the US you're at. I grew up on the East Coast and I saw that where I lived, most Whites had brown hair and brown eyes. I live in a rural Western state now, and I see a higher percentage of natural blondes, but still, most Whites here have brown hair and brown eyes. Interesting. I definitely agree on the hair, but I do think that light eyes appear to be considerably more common than light hair. I'd say brown hair and blue/green eyes is also at least as common as brown hair and brown eyes. Btw, I have a cousin who lives in Texas and says that "everyone" is blond lol. From what I understand, white Texans have a large German component to their ancestry on average, which in a way differentiates it from other parts of the South, which contain people of mostly British origin.
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Post by Rocky on Jan 1, 2005 2:22:43 GMT -5
This discussion seems to be mainly North American orientated. Eye colour is not so easy to ascertain as you have to be a certain distance from someone to see the colour of their eyes. My comfort zone seems larger than most and I would not know what colour eyes people have unless they are very brown or very blue. The lighter browns, greys, greens, mixed shades tend to end up as brown. From the times that I have seen the eye colours of North Americans they appeared to be greenish as in green/blue or green/grey or green/brown or green. I would say there are more greenish eyed people in North America, the white States, than straight out brown or blue but blue is a significant minority. The hair is some shade of brown but not dark as in the typical Greek or Italian.
With European originated caucasians I don't really notice their sub race. Most people seem to be a mix of features with no commonality outside their caucasian status. Not every Greek looks Dinarid or has a large bent nose. Not every Swede is long headed in the classic Nordic look. Saying that I think I can just separate Northern types from Southern types and that is it. Mixed races look much of a muchness to me.
Someone said curly hair. What is meant by that? I know lots of curly headed caucasians and they are of all pigmentation and none look negroid because of it. Woolly hair is the negro norm, then peppercorn type hair. Curly haired negroes sound rather odd.
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