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Post by k5125 on Jun 3, 2005 15:54:46 GMT -5
A friend of mine recently told me she is half moorish half european. I wasn't aware there were moorish people in the sense of a modern ethnic group.
Anyone ever heard of this?
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Post by mike2 on Jun 3, 2005 15:57:42 GMT -5
A friend of mine recently told me she is half moorish half european. I wasn't aware there were moorish people in the sense of a modern ethnic group. Anyone ever heard of this? Yeah, I suppose some Moroccans and Mauretanians might refer to themselves as Moors.
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 3, 2005 16:09:00 GMT -5
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Post by iberomaurusian on Jun 3, 2005 16:12:22 GMT -5
A friend of mine recently told me she is half moorish half european. I wasn't aware there were moorish people in the sense of a modern ethnic group. Anyone ever heard of this? Yeah, I suppose some Moroccans and Mauretanians might refer to themselves as Moors. I know of some moroccans (mostly citizens of Rabat, Salé, Fes, Tanger, Tetouan) who might refer to themselves as mooriskyeen, meaning ---moors. They are direct descendants of those historical moors of Andalousia who themselves were originally moroccans. My Boss is moorish, ...he is very fair with hazel eyes. We call him, Le visigoth! Mauritanians never called themselves moors.
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Post by iberomaurusian on Jun 3, 2005 16:16:00 GMT -5
I'm ibero-maurusian by race, I believe. You should see me naked to get an idea about what I mean. Btw, My displayed name is ---Berter.
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Post by amksa on Jun 3, 2005 17:26:02 GMT -5
A friend of mine recently told me she is half moorish half european. I wasn't aware there were moorish people in the sense of a modern ethnic group. Anyone ever heard of this? like a French author of whom i forget the name, "moor" is a broad label used to designate too many different people who aren't aware that they are "moor" and who don't call themselves "moor" ! hahaha. they're no moroccan who has the nerve to call oneself moor, apart from the bourgeois of the imperial city of Fez. but from my experience and my reading, i understand the definition of moor in the way given by Berter : this a term used to label town-dweller, citizen in opposition to arab and berber of Morocco... you can read books of european travellers from France, England, etc. of the 18-19th century : they describe "moor" as ugly, sly, not as strong and handsome/of noble race than Arab and Berber (i'm not kidding !)
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Post by iberomaurusian on Jun 3, 2005 17:53:25 GMT -5
A friend of mine recently told me she is half moorish half european. I wasn't aware there were moorish people in the sense of a modern ethnic group. Anyone ever heard of this? like a French author of whom i forget the name, "moor" is a broad label used to designate too many different people who aren't aware that they are "moor" and who don't call themselves "moor" ! Amksa, can you remember that author's name!?. I read Rousseau's 'Les Confessions' and Miguel de Cervantes' 'Don quichot'. Both of them mentioned the moors (fr, les maures) in passages where they described them as basanés---dark/tanned with unpleasant physical appearances. Try to read the part of Reausseau' book where he was approached in an motel --- auberge by a pervert moor, ...so funny!
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 3, 2005 18:25:51 GMT -5
I'm ibero-maurusian by race, I believe. You should see me naked to get an idea about what I mean. Btw, My displayed name is ---Berter. i know but most of the armies that entered iberia where berber knights which where called "moro"
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Post by amksa on Jun 4, 2005 6:58:46 GMT -5
I'm ibero-maurusian by race, I believe. You should see me naked to get an idea about what I mean. Btw, My displayed name is ---Berter. i know but most of the armies that entered iberia where berber knights which where called "moro" from all the books i read, the term moor or maure, moro is very ancient, used long before spaniards and english exist, so it could originally label some extint tribe of north of Morocco, we don't know ! but, again, a french author of whom i forget the name said that in antiquity there was a goddess named Maura after who berber tribes called themselves : it gave us the Roman province "Mauretania". An another French author, Jean Mazel, presented an entirely different theory about the word moor and its numerous versions : according to him, it comes from the word "mahour", a Carthaginian term which designated the Berbers of West... if it's true we should still find a similar term in Hebrew or even in Arabic with the sens of West... maybe. but one thing is certain, no one call oneself "moor" those days, no way.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 4, 2005 8:36:22 GMT -5
A friend of mine recently told me she is half moorish half european. I wasn't aware there were moorish people in the sense of a modern ethnic group. Anyone ever heard of this? No. I am more interested in what she looked like. Was she dark skinned or negroid looking?
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Post by Curious6 on Jun 4, 2005 9:23:06 GMT -5
I know Spaniards often refer to Arabs as 'moros', which is the translation for 'moor'. However, the word is often used in a derogatory way.
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Post by amksa on Jun 4, 2005 12:30:52 GMT -5
A friend of mine recently told me she is half moorish half european. I wasn't aware there were moorish people in the sense of a modern ethnic group. Anyone ever heard of this? No. I am more interested in what she looked like. Was she dark skinned or negroid looking? judging from what Berter said about people who call themselves "moor" in Morocco, i bet that k5125's friend is probably fair-skinned, probably a fassia (inhabitant of Fez) because the fassis are the only persons in Morocco who still believe that they are the direct descendants of the ones who took Al-Andalus : by moorish descetn, i bet that the girl meant "i'm not one of these ugly Berber or Arab : i'am white !" Fassis are racists and don't consider themselves Moroccans.
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Post by k5125 on Jun 4, 2005 14:39:22 GMT -5
No. I am more interested in what she looked like. Was she dark skinned or negroid looking? judging from what Berter said about people who call themselves "moor" in Morocco, i bet that k5125's friend is probably fair-skinned, probably a fassia (inhabitant of Fez) because the fassis are the only persons in Morocco who still believe that they are the direct descendants of the ones who took Al-Andalus : by moorish descetn, i bet that the girl meant "i'm not one of these ugly Berber or Arab : i'am white !" Fassis are racists and don't consider themselves Moroccans. Actually she is black but refers to her black side as "moorish."
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 4, 2005 14:42:13 GMT -5
Actually she is black but refers to her black side as "moorish." LOL, of course. Actually, it's a good thing you didn't say this from the start, it made the conversation more interesting for a while.
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Post by mike2 on Jun 4, 2005 15:19:13 GMT -5
Actually she is black but refers to her black side as "moorish." Well that figures. Is she African American or is she from somewhere else? Cause only in America can someone get away with such idiocy.
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