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Post by CaraCicatriz on Feb 9, 2004 21:25:38 GMT -5
I am descending from the daughter of a Cajun French Missionary in Bolivia and Hispanic man living there. I was born in the USA speak English, Spanish, Italian and French and am unique looking. What has always bothered me was that, I have always passed through society considered white, that isn't the problem it is the amount of racism I hear because of it. A black guy doesn't hear racism like I do because he isn't "behind enemy lines." I am not saying, this is specific to whites, I am just saying I am tired of this racial hatred, like people choose to be black just to piss you off. In reading some of these posts lambasting the media for having alot of afrocentric influence, or having racial impurity looked down upon, I get sickened. I am not implying anyone should be ashamed of there race or that I am liberal apoligist, I am saying that we can't help how we are born and for that we should just give it up. I have seen lots of people offended by relationships between blacks and whites as disgustiong or impure. I judge the person by how they are, if it is a really ghetto black dude I will be just as disgusted with a big hillbilly. I don't care about race, and I wish more felt this way. More or less, all I am saying is, I don't claim race, I am a child of the Americas descended from Cherokee, Spaniards, Northern Europeans, Incans and have a nephew who is half japanese and cousins who are mullato. I don't care, damnit, I am a human before a race. To think that if my skin color varied a bit that I wouldn't be good enough to get with a white girl or black girl in many people's eyes, I'd be a debacle to them. When people say that interracial relationships are wrong, it hurts me and I can't possibly understand how they think me and my own are wrong. For this, I just appeal to anyone reading this to be more accepting.
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Post by galvez on Feb 9, 2004 21:41:00 GMT -5
...I am saying that we can't help how we are born and for that we should just give it up. I agree. My problem is with the ideologues fixated on racial purity, who don't understand that there is no pure race -- these types, incidentally, are often scared of getting tested to see if they have admixture. And then there are the phenotypic purists -- often compensating for their admixture, believing their conformity to a subtype absolves them of their impurities -- who knock on others online, and who often panic when DNA studies of admixture are brought up. Phenotypic purity is their escape, because they don't like their genotype deep down. You have probably encountered White Nationalists who'd make Freud look scientific with their psychoanalysis of White females who date other races. I don't believe interracial relationships are wrong, but I'd like the Mediterranean peoples and cultures to remain on this earth in unaltered form for the next few millennia, at least. I don't believe preservation should be looked down upon.
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Post by CaraCicatriz on Feb 9, 2004 21:44:45 GMT -5
Well, I am talking about in real life, hicks at works and what not
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Post by AWAR on Feb 9, 2004 22:03:11 GMT -5
I am descending from the daughter of a Cajun French Missionary in Bolivia and Hispanic man living there. I was born in the USA speak English, Spanish, Italian and French and am unique looking. What has always bothered me was that, I have always passed through society considered white, that isn't the problem it is the amount of racism I hear because of it. A black guy doesn't hear racism like I do because he isn't "behind enemy lines." There are all sorts of silly racism going on on the internet discussion boards because many weirdos hide behind the anonimity of the internet. Quite right. What's important is the truth, whatever it is. Modern media usually lies or abuses truth. Many political movements do that too, especially White Nationalism, Afrocentrism etc. Only a psychopath can blame you for being what you are. You'll agree that racial mixing is a sort of assimilation, a loss of an age old identity. I'd like for my children and grandchildren to be similar to what I am, and to what the rest of their people are. I wouldn't like for my daughter to marry someone who is not of my ethnicity, because that would mean that my grandchildren wouldn't continue my 'tribe' I'm against inter-racial marriage because I think it's a bad idea in the long run. The entire world is quickly becoming very 'same', nothing is important anymore except a consumerist lifestyle. Same here. There are people who care too, not all of them are idiotic racists, though most admittedly are Race isn't just a social construct though. It's very visible, and an ammount of racism is just a natural reaction with all people. People are built that way, to trust those who look most like themselves, like other members of a tribe I certainly don't find anything wrong with you or your family. All that may not fit into my 'ideal' of 'what should be', but I don't harbor ill will towards you and other such people.
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Post by CaraCicatriz on Feb 9, 2004 22:14:55 GMT -5
I do agree with your guys' idea about ensuring the survival of your type of race tthrough your progeny. In fact it is for this reason that I want to marry a Latina or some sort be it a portuguese, brazlian, italian, bolivian girl, jus tbecause I want to keep my mediterranean blood going and I will teach my kids spanish even though this society I live in speaks english. However, when we have on white mut dating another black mut and people start saying that is wrong, that kind of bothers me. I think people, including my kdis have hte right to choose how they live there lives. But I agree with you guys about it, you have the right to procreate with whomever you choose be it interracially or homogenously.
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Post by galvez on Feb 9, 2004 22:50:21 GMT -5
There are all sorts of silly racism going on on the internet discussion boards because many weirdos hide behind the anonimity of the internet. If the assholes aren't going to back up their talk and openly state their beliefs in the real world, they need to shut the hell up. The best example that I can think of is a guy called "Marc Moran" who used to write for VNN. This guy urged people to express and defend their White Nationalist beliefs outside of the internet. Then, when it became publicly known that he was writing articles for VNN -- because he was involved in city politics and someone did a search -- he suddenly denied knowing anything about the racialism in the organizations he was involved with: he pled ignorance. As a Southern European no one has explicitly put me down in real life over my ethnicity. Some Nordics have been very friendly with me or it was an afterthought that I am Spanish. Some even confused me for Irish or whatever (some are Medish, I suppose). Then when I come online I see these assholes who obviously keep their mouths shut because they know they will be seen as low-class should they give their opinions openly. They probably have a Mediterranean professor or boss. They are frustrated and they vent online. How else to explain that they insult so much in forums that are supposedly merely about pride, but in the real world they are effete cowards like Mr. Moran? Mr. Moran deserved what he got. He is unworthy to raise his kids, because they will see him as a coward who couldn't stand up for his beliefs. I don't care if you are a communist, a fascist, an anarchist or whatever, but I can't stand a coward who will back down like these onliners do when confronted by the most minor threat.
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Post by CaraCicatriz on Feb 9, 2004 23:00:02 GMT -5
I agree with people who use the internet to spread hate and then can't live up to it in real life, they are just coward. As for white supremacists, I actually believe it is more of a counter movement of an inferiority complex. Not that they are inferior to blacks, it is just that you see so many hip ass black guys pulling alot of pretty white tail, and then you have these social outcast whites guys who feel rejected and turn their hate for themselves into racism. Now, I don't mean that is all of them some of them simply are kookoo but the ones I have met are usually like that, these white supremacists who are obese and have very few friends, at least that is how the three ones at my school are like.
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Post by Marina on Feb 25, 2004 17:29:21 GMT -5
I do agree with your guys' idea about ensuring the survival of your type of race tthrough your progeny. In fact it is for this reason that I want to marry a Latina or some sort be it a portuguese, brazlian, italian, bolivian girl, jus tbecause I want to keep my mediterranean blood going and I will teach my kids spanish even though this society I live in speaks english. However, when we have on white mut dating another black mut and people start saying that is wrong, that kind of bothers me. I think people, including my kdis have hte right to choose how they live there lives. But I agree with you guys about it, you have the right to procreate with whomever you choose be it interracially or homogenously. Huh? I thought you said you were racially ambiguous, now what's with this about keeping your Mediterranean blood going? And what do you mean by a "white mutt dating another black mutt?"
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Post by xxx on Feb 26, 2004 4:44:29 GMT -5
Huh? I thought you said you were racially ambiguous, now what's with this about keeping your Mediterranean blood going? It shouldn't come as a surprise. There is a sense of heritage pride among mestizos with Spanish ancestry which makes them distinctive from those with Anglo-Saxon ancestry. Whatever the reasons may be, I find mestizos and even mulatos of Spanish as culturally much superior than the Anglo-Saxon half-breeds. I can perfectly talk to a Cuban mulato about racism without offending him, not even when using terms which would be perceived as very offensive if I was talking to an anglo-saxon half-breed. While I can be pointing out to the differences between us, I don't deny him/her the part of heritage that rightfully belongs to him/her, and I would dare to say that this is something common among Spaniards. In fact, the degree of tolerance of Spaniards towards mulatos varies greatly depending on their cultural background and heritage.
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Post by CaraCicatriz on Feb 27, 2004 20:17:00 GMT -5
-Huh? I thought you said you were racially ambiguous, now what's with this about keeping your Mediterranean blood going? And what do you mean by a "white mutt dating another black mutt?" - I was just saying that if two people share the same culture like an american black and a white american why is there intermixing such a big deal? About the mediterranean thing, I was just saying I'd like to marry a latina/meztiza or a girl of mediterrean stock, just because I find them to be attractive and they also happen to be similar ethnically. But I adore mulattas and hip indian girls too -It shouldn't come as a surprise. There is a sense of heritage pride among mestizos with Spanish ancestry which makes them distinctive from those with Anglo-Saxon ancestry. Whatever the reasons may be, I find mestizos and even mulatos of Spanish as culturally much superior than the Anglo-Saxon half-breeds. I can perfectly talk to a Cuban mulato about racism without offending him, not even when using terms which would be perceived as very offensive if I was talking to an anglo-saxon half-breed. While I can be pointing out to the differences between us, I don't deny him/her the part of heritage that rightfully belongs to him/her, and I would dare to say that this is something common among Spaniards. In fact, the degree of tolerance of Spaniards towards mulatos varies greatly depending on their cultural background and heritage. - Ya you can call a dark person the equivalent of "blackie" in spanish and they won't be offended at all. Alot of new world spaniards are very fierce about their culture especially in countries of all indians like Bolivia, but they are full of it even the most spanish of htem have indian in them, so y'know. I just personally dig my culture, which is a Spanish one even though I am part indian.
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Post by murphee on Feb 29, 2004 2:52:03 GMT -5
[quote author=CaraCicatriz ...What has always bothered me was that, I have always passed through society considered white, that isn't the problem it is the amount of racism I hear because of it. A black guy doesn't hear racism like I do because he isn't "behind enemy lines..." [/quote]
I can relate to what you're saying. It doesn't happen often, but about once or twice every ten years, a person will say very anti-Jewish comments to me, things such as, "Jews are bad people," or 'Jews are children of the Devil." They assume I'm not of Jewish heritage because I'm blonde and look Nordic. I admit that it is always a strange, startling experience. It's happened also to my parents. In contrast, I'm not surprised when I read things which are against Jews, or when I just contemplate the fact that many people don't like Jews. It's when it happens to my face, and the person saying the comments doesn't know what my backround is.
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Post by Necronomicom on Feb 29, 2004 4:30:05 GMT -5
I do agree with your guys' idea about ensuring the survival of your type of race tthrough your progeny. In fact it is for this reason that I want to marry a Latina or some sort be it a portuguese, brazlian, italian, bolivian girl, jus tbecause I want to keep my mediterranean blood goingAbout the mediterranean thing, I was just saying I'd like to marry a latina/meztiza or a girl of mediterrean stock, just because I find them to be attractive and they also happen to be similar ethnically. WTF how can you compare Portuguese and Italians meds with South American sub-indians ?? ?? ?? Mestizos who try to act like Spaniards, such as yourself, are a shame for the real Spanish mediterrean population. Marry with your own sub-indian mestizo type, stay away from white mediterranean girls!
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Post by AWAR on Feb 29, 2004 8:55:10 GMT -5
There is no need for hostility. Please watch your words, this isn't Stormfront!
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Post by Marina on Mar 5, 2004 7:41:09 GMT -5
I was just saying that if two people share the same culture like an american black and a white american why is there intermixing such a big deal? In the United States at least, white culture and black culture are very different. Okay, that's perfectly fine. But like Necronomicon said, if you want to keep your bloodline going, you should marry a Mestizo girl.
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Post by Graeme on Mar 5, 2004 8:25:33 GMT -5
I don't understand why Americans need to racially classify people as part of their certificates. It doesn't happen in Australia, though it is a question that is often asked in the census.
There are web sites for mixed race, biracials and eurasians. One thing that always gets me is the mixed race person's self assessment of their appearance. Most of the time they think they look caucasian and described themselves as looking Spanish, Greek and Italian when in fact they don't. In other words these mixed race people believe that they look white.
I do not really understand the need for the pride. You are what you are. If some people reject you for it, well, stuff them. Just get on with your life and go with whatever race or race mixture you like. The average American black is 30 % caucasoid anyway and some apparent caucasoids have Amerindian ancestry. Race mixing is nothing new in the USA. Go for it.
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