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Post by galvez on Jul 24, 2004 18:41:42 GMT -5
Also, I would point to Jaimie Escalante---the East Los Angeles math teacher who took a bunch of inner city kids and made them students able to pass the Calculus Advanced Placement tests--getting College credit. His efforts were immortalized in the movie; stand and deliver. Of course, Escalante did something very simple: he actually cared about and had confidence in his students. Calculus is actually easier than algebra, but what a lot of teachers do is purposely intimidate their students so that one-third or more of the class drops, to lessen their workload. America could produce many more engineers if it improved its math education and confidence-building for students, especially in minority and impoverished communities. What Escalante did is what many other teachers could potentially do.
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Post by pconroy on Aug 19, 2004 12:11:59 GMT -5
Of course, Escalante did something very simple: he actually cared about and had confidence in his students. Calculus is actually easier than algebra, but what a lot of teachers do is purposely intimidate their students so that one-third or more of the class drops, to lessen their workload. America could produce many more engineers if it improved its math education and confidence-building for students, especially in minority and impoverished communities. What Escalante did is what many other teachers could potentially do. I agree completely with this, and think that in general American Math teachers must be some of the worst in the world. In fact high school teaching in most public schools in New York City is seen as a minority occupation - by which I mean Black or Hispanic. That coupled with the low pay, lessens the desireability of the job for Asians or other people more potentially gifted as math teachers. I myself have a 172 IQ and am good at math. I coached a former girlfriends younger brother, twice a week for 8 weeks, and took him from a D average to an A average in Math - actually he became the best student in his class. In fact most Math teachers I've met seem to be remedial at math themselves. What I told him was: 1. Math is straight forward and you can be good at it. 2. You need to practice doing Math problems, not reading or studying examples This last point I believe is key to why some students fail and others succeed at Math.
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Post by jojocircus on Aug 25, 2004 2:51:15 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone claims to have an IQ of 140 or above? Somehow I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps you've been taking some bogus IQ tests....
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Post by geirr on Aug 25, 2004 3:03:20 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone claims to have an IQ of 140 or above? Somehow I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps you've been taking some bogus IQ tests.... People with a Stanford-Binet IQ of 132 or higher constitute only about 2% of the population but about 98% of the internet.
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Post by One Humanity on Aug 25, 2004 5:55:57 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone claims to have an IQ of 140 or above? Somehow I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps you've been taking some bogus IQ tests.... A friend gave me a link to such IQ test once (I think it was asking wider spread questions what made it easier than the solely "logistic" one) and I got 136 points, the best score of my circle of pals actually (11X, 12X, two guys who remained calm). I don't believe in it's relevance though, but in multiple intelligences: www.yesnet.yk.ca/schools/wes/mi.html
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Post by Anima Eternae on Aug 25, 2004 15:20:24 GMT -5
The answer is 50/50, I believe.
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Post by Springa on Aug 28, 2004 9:47:15 GMT -5
Some of them are probably exagerating. But also, who's gonna brag about having an average or low IQ? I mean, people who are proud of their IQ's are the ones most likely to talk about it. Why is it that everyone claims to have an IQ of 140 or above? Somehow I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps you've been taking some bogus IQ tests....
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Post by BallisticaNervosa on Aug 30, 2004 0:58:37 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone claims to have an IQ of 140 or above? Somehow I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps you've been taking some bogus IQ tests.... I was thinking about that as well. I've done a few “official” IQ tests and my score changes every time. The first IQ test I did I got 127. The second I lowered 20 points of my first score. The third test I did I got 130. The fourth I did I got as far as 142. And the fifth and last I got a score of 131 So even though I know I am not a smarty of any sort I also know that I am above average, so I suppose my score should be around the 120-130 mark. But who knows... Whenever people ask for my IQ I just smile and say that I don't believe in IQ tests. Even though we're nothing in the large scheme of things, the human mind is still too complex to even hope to understand it with a set number of questions and test that are, in the long run, designed to test a certain type of intelligence.
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Post by pconroy on Aug 30, 2004 11:04:30 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone claims to have an IQ of 140 or above? Somehow I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps you've been taking some bogus IQ tests.... You also need to remember that most high IQ societies, like Mensa, use versions of the Cattell IQ Test, this has a standard distribution (SD) of 24, whereas the Stanford-Binet has a SD of 16, and the Wechsler has a SD of 15. So for example, if you have 2 people, let's say Juan has IQ 130 (Stanford-Binet), whereas Julian has IQ 145 (Cattell), who is the smarter? Without knowing the type of test taken you would say Julian, as he has higher IQ score, but knowing the type of test, the answer would be that they are equal! Here is a handy IQ converter, works best for those who took IQ tests in the US: www.davidpbrown.co.uk/psychology/iq-conversion.html
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Post by BallisticaNervosa on Aug 30, 2004 12:54:25 GMT -5
So for example, if you have 2 people, let's say Juan has IQ 130 (Stanford-Binet), whereas Julian has IQ 145 (Cattell), who is the smarter? Without knowing the type of test taken you would say Julian, as he has higher IQ score, but knowing the type of test, the answer would be that they are equal! But now let's suppose Juan got an IQ of 130 in the same Cattell test as Julian, so Julian is 15 points above of him. Do these 15 points alone mean that Julian is invariably more intelligent than Juan, no matter what? I have a hard time believing in such things. A huge difference, like 30 points, would be easier to fathom, I think.
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Post by pconroy on Aug 30, 2004 15:04:54 GMT -5
But now let's suppose Juan got an IQ of 130 in the same Cattell test as Julian, so Julian is 15 points above of him. Do these 15 points alone mean that Julian is invariably more intelligent than Juan, no matter what? I have a hard time believing in such things. A huge difference, like 30 points, would be easier to fathom, I think. I wouldn't say someone is invariably more intelligent than someone else if they have a higher IQ (on the same scale) as another, as a person may vary in the results they get on a test - apart from ageing - more that a person is generally more intelligent. Also, even though I suspect there is a high link between scoring intelligently and acting intelligently, that is not always the case - so that some less intelligent people act in accordance with those of a higher intelligence or vice-versa.
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