What are some of your thoughts on Turkey?

[nockwasright]

melnorme said:

My ev. psych-influenced theory : societies where a smaller percentage of the general population are young children ( who need protection, care, etc ), will feel less 'family-ish', and accordingly will inspire less 'instinctive loyalty' from their citizens, with potentially Bad consequences.

"Why should I fight for <insertcountry>'s government? Just a bunch of old farts who run everything."
"Do it FOR THE CHILDREN!" ;D

See what I mean?


But, it's likely that in times of relative peace ( ie, usually ) this is mostly an argument about subjective values.

I agree on the above (less children less interest in the state), but is a lesser evil, and can have positive consequences (as in people less willing to accept prepotence from the state).
Of course living in a country that is practically under siege the "loyalty to the state" is more important for you.

The "pension funds" problem can be easily solved working for longer periods, or spending less, expecially in state spending less of what it incamerates as taxes for the pension funds. We are quite spoiled.

It's a false problem, as it's based on the assumption that young illiterate culturally primitive third worlders make better workers than old europeans, or are anyway an asset. It may have been right in the industrial era, not now. Now they are just a pain in the asset.

Plus, no one can assure they will be willing to "care" for this elders who are not their parents, in the end.

As for Syria I answered above. Things will take care of themselves.

[Marobud]

henerte said:

Low natality means growing number of pensioners. Growing number of pensioners means that there's more and more money needed to finance their pensions and not enough people to work. Pensioners are not going to resign from the money they get from the state and will vote for politicians that will promise them no cuts. I've seen german newspapers (Spiegel) advertising immigration by saying that immigrants are coming to Germany to work and through their work finance the system of social benefits.

Basic wealth needed by pensioners is produced by machines, not by people. So it is a question of organization (and a question of not-directly-fighting with China's work price), not a question of number of workers. Yes, economists strive for a cheap working force, but it is not a substance of pensions.

[brazen]

Tautamo said:

Turks are related to other eastern european people .what turkey isnt is culturally "european" especially religiously.

Get a f*ckin history lesson, turks are nothing at all like eastern Europeans, not culturally, not religiously, not linguistically, not historically, nothing ! Most Eastern Europeans are slavic and speak slavic languages, Turks orginated somewhere in central Asia and speak turkish which is a Turkic language which are in no way related to the slavic languages.

[asdf]

He meant genetically (although he's largely wrong...).

Turks are neither insignifigantly Central Asian nor insignifigantly pre-Central Asian.

[tonynatuzzi]

Who do yall think Europeans hate the most anyways Blacks,Turks,Pakis,or Gypsies.

[olympian]

u should make a poll and add also americans

[penetratorx]

Not only should the turks be kept out of the EU they should also be kicked out of European football.

At least with English football we confine our trouble makers to the supporters, but with the turks its the supporters, the players, the management and coaching staff, the ground workers, the TV commentators and even the police.

What happened recently in the play off with Austria was ridiculous, and yet this type of thing has been happening time and time again involving the turks, I remember more than 10 years ago when the turk police attacked Manchester United players as they left the pitch after playing galatasary, Eric Cantona was hit on the head with a truncheon, and it has happened many times since involving many teams and nationalities.

BTW, the people I dislike the most is the pakis, at least the turks have some sense of honour.

[olympian]

u probably mean the play off with the Swiss
but yeah
in fact i never understood why israel and turkey participate
in european leagues

[Melnorme]

olympian said:

u probably mean the play off with the Swiss
but yeah
in fact i never understood why israel and turkey participate
in european leagues

I can't speak for Turkey but Israeli players prefer not to be lynched by hostile crowds.

[olympian]

;D