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Post by Meddish on May 9, 2005 18:43:21 GMT -5
Stay out then!!!..  Yes but I also like the idea of a restored Greco-syrian culture  ;D |
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Post by koroglu on May 10, 2005 20:58:47 GMT -5
Turkey have nothing to do in Europe. Turkey should be stay away from EU since EU is a declining political creature (not an intity). Turkish identity, culture, language etc. are very different from Europe. Europe will be a burden for us. So NO to European Union !!! That is what I think! |
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Post by RuneJ on May 19, 2005 15:54:01 GMT -5
Making Turkey a member of the EU would be extremely expensive, and I think most Europeans would rather use that money on helping Moldova, Ukraine, Russia and Belarus instead.
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Post by kazakuygur1988 on Jun 24, 2005 14:18:48 GMT -5
the eu's going to fall apart anyway. turkeys going to overtake all you catholics anyway and with me as the leader of the genelkurmay in about 20 years i will make the eu into a tobacco plantation.
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Post by geo on Jul 29, 2005 12:23:25 GMT -5
given the current birthrates in about 40 years the kurdish ethnicity will be the major ethnicity in the multinational state of turkey, outnumbering all the others together. Therefore you should not worry whether europe will fall apart, rather start building your hut back in the steppes.
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Post by yigal on Aug 7, 2005 12:12:40 GMT -5
Turks are more European than you are, considering that from what I understand, you have about 30% Mongol blood. European is a geographical not a racial one. Turks are by definition not European. like your beloved cypriots |
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Post by greatness on Aug 14, 2005 18:44:04 GMT -5
I agree with Jay, the mulatto. I'd like to see more Turkish and Nigerian blood. It would make things more interesting ;D. No but seriously I do not see why Europeans are so obsessed with keeping their "whiteness". Especially when they were the ones one moved their ppls by colonizing the world (ie America, South America, South Africa,,etc.)
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Post by greatness on Aug 14, 2005 18:50:20 GMT -5
But it is not KazakUygur and the Turks u should about, it is me and the Persians. After I get rid of those Muslims and mullahs out of our country I will join together all the Iranid cultures (Kurds, Persians, Gilani, etc) and colonize the world. I will also have lots of hott wives from all over the world so that I can spread my Y-chromosome <b>everywhere</b>.
But this is just my dream ;D ;D
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Post by Educate Me on Aug 14, 2005 18:51:49 GMT -5
no one cares about their whiteness, they are white enough
the problem is they are muslims, and their history, not them being not white.
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Post by greatness on Aug 14, 2005 22:21:18 GMT -5
Yeah dont you see, by bringing Turkey into the EU u make that much less Muslim and that much more secular. Islam is has a very evil side to it (trust me Im of Iranian heritage). Not to single out Islam, Christianity and Judaism have the same evil. The only difference is that in western countries a space has been created between religion and government, a space which fanatics do not want let in. ]
So by accepting Turkey into the EU, making them modern u move them that much farther from extreme Islam. I am confident that if the Populations of the world knew how much carnage the Arabs went through to bring Islam to their doorstep, particularly in Turkey and Iran, ppl would drop Islam like a bowl of lead. But because western nations meddle in these countries fanatical Islam strengthens. Just look what the Invasion in Iraq has done. Instead of bringing progress, it has lead Muslims to swing the other way.
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Post by osservatore on Sept 26, 2005 5:05:34 GMT -5
First of all, European Union has nothing to do with "races" or "religion".
Actually, Europea countries are all democracies in which there is freedom of thought and religion and where racial discrimination is banned.
Second point: Turkey is ALSO a european country form an historical and geographical point of view- Turkey had a significant role in centuries of European history, has one of its biggest town in the european continent, has many HISTORICAL minorities of turkish origins in geographically european countries etc.
SO i have nothing against Turkey joining EU from a cultural point of view.
The standard for joining EU si not "Christianity" or "caucasoid race" (both present in Turkey btw.) but economical stability and democracy, and I believe Turkey should upgrade in both these fields. After that, turkey could join EU and nobody could seriously say nothing against this.
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Post by oubit on Sept 27, 2005 20:36:21 GMT -5
Second point: Turkey is ALSO a european country form an historical and geographical point of view- Turkey had a significant role in centuries of European history, has one of its biggest town in the european continent, has many HISTORICAL minorities of turkish origins in geographically european countries etc. There WERE important cultural ties between Asia Minor and Europe in the past, but the Turks cut them off by themselves in the years after the First World War. That's why it is now 99% muslim - one hundred years ago it was very different from that. |
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Post by Marobud on Sept 29, 2005 5:24:57 GMT -5
I think that at first Balkans should be consolidated. After there will be prosperous, strong and democratic(!) Bosnia, Serbia, Macedonia, Romania, Albania, why not Turkey. Anyway, it would be at least 30years from now, so also Turkey will be undoubtly more democratical then today. It is not racism, it is a question of strong, really functional democracy with some guarantee of prosperity. Sometimes i see Turks like wild wolves with good intentions. Turkey in EU would be too strong for weak countries like Serbia or Romania. Turkey influence would be stronger then it is acceptable for these small non-consolidated nations.
Regarding moslems: Bosnians and Albanians are moslems, but I think that no European is against future membership of Bosnia and Albania in EU. So after some more democratisation, wny not Turkey.
It is important that Turks want(!!!) to be European. But they should be compensated by strong christian Balkans.
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Post by oubit on Sept 30, 2005 18:14:36 GMT -5
Regarding moslems: Bosnians and Albanians are moslems, but I think that no European is against future membership of Bosnia and Albania in EU. So after some more democratisation, wny not Turkey. There are surely many people in Europe, who don't want these two countries to be EU-members. They are also just partly muslim, while Turkey has only an extremely tiny non-mulsim population (since they forced almost all of them out). Besides that, Bosnia&Albania are rather small countries, while Turkey is huge (with more than 70 million people living there). It is important that Turks want(!!!) to be European. Well, many do not. Look around some political msg. boards - there are many, who don't consider themselves as "Europeans". And the number of Turks, who don't want their country to join the EU seems to grow, too. |
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Post by augusto on Sept 30, 2005 23:57:49 GMT -5
Turkey's presence in the EU is not only welcome, but essential.
Turkey will mean more power for the EU, and closeness to natural resources (Middle East), and likely better relations with such countries.
It also means a shift of Power from North Europe, to
South Europe, as such Europe will become more encompassing, less Western, less France, less Germany.
Another good step would be for Russia to join, and eventually all the ex Soviet republics.
I think it would be also positive, if countries such as
Algeria, Tunisia, and Egypt would be considered for future joining.
Free transit of Populations though should be reviewed
If not , the result could be , a constant flow of populations, which is the opposite of the objective of widespread development.
Now,its also true that some countries are not interested in this, but to maintain the status quo of Power in the North.
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