Afro
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Post by Afro on Jun 19, 2004 16:09:16 GMT -5
The world is overpopulated? I don't think so. Maybe China, India and parts of SE Asia like Java are overpopulated. Europe's population is shrinking and getting old. Australia's population is getting old and grows only because of immigrants and their offspring. North America is not overpopulated. Africa is not overpopulated. The problem is the overuse of resources by a few wealthy parts of the world. My home State of Victoria is the size of England/Wales and has a population of about 5 million. It can support many, many more people, so can New South Wales and Queensland. The problems of Europe is the lack of reproduction due to the high cost of living, education, housing, and blatant self centreness. As far as the developed world, they should invest in the third world and make it produce everything and live off the proceeds. Let those people work and earn a decent living and induce them with good living standards to have fewer children. Just as people like Donald Trump own much property and businesses, employ indirectly many people, keep others in work, but actually do not produce anything themselves they do contribute to the US economy. The rich countries should do the same, own much property, businesses, employ many people in the third world, contribute to their economies, but actually produce nothing themselves and live off the hard work of the locals. It is a win/win situation and will slow population growth in those poorer countries. You mean some sort of re-colonization???
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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 21, 2004 3:21:17 GMT -5
As far as keeping Western nations competitive, they need more immigration from equally competitive nations, it's just that there isn't much...
North America needs more immigration from Western Europe, and/or alternatively Japan and South Korea, simply because these latter 2 Asiatic peoples assimilate better in to North American society then others.
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Post by geirr on Jun 21, 2004 5:31:56 GMT -5
As far as keeping Western nations competitive, they need more immigration from equally competitive nations, it's just that there isn't much... North America needs more immigration from Western Europe, and/or alternatively Japan and South Korea, simply because these latter 2 Asiatic peoples assimilate better in to North American society then others. Most immigration to the USA has been unskilled from poor countries. The majority of European immigrants that went to America were Italians, Greeks, Irish, Germans, etc when those countries were economically disadvantaged, you will not see immigrants from wealthy countries in significant numbers. I'd doubt that Japanese would want to emigrate to the USA as that would be a step down.
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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 21, 2004 13:58:46 GMT -5
I know but somehow the European immigrants fleeing the war, and those before them were of better stock then the ones rolling out of the asylum office. The new ones can't be saved by poverty because the Europeans were poor too, but somehow there just weren't the number of criminals amongst them.
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Post by Graeme on Jun 22, 2004 9:12:08 GMT -5
Sooty get your brain out of the black ghetto, whites are imperialists gutter. Mature a bit, if you can, which I doubt.
Having people to do work for you is not colonialism. It is called employment. Those third worlders have too many children, not enough work, can't afford education, don't enjoy a decent lifestyle, DIE younger and YOU, sooty, think employment is colonialism. I am advocating the free enterprise system, decent wages, secure employment and job training and you consider that colonialism. One thing for sure, those bastards can't do it for themselves and they need a break. Like negroes in the USA, they need affirmative action, places at university and special scholarships. To me that is paternalism and discrimination. Why should negroes be given a break? Have they earned it? Did they pay the dues to give them these privileges? Hell no.
There are thousands on people in American controlled Pacific Islands who work in sweat shops and are paid a pittance for their labour by Americans with US legislative exemptions. It that right, this virtual slavery of Pacific islanders? Hell no. I suggest you keep your own yard clean and your behaviour above reproach before criticising others. Or better still, get an education.
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Post by Afro on Jun 22, 2004 13:38:32 GMT -5
^^^ What the in the world are you going on about now?
I simply asked you a question, trying to verify what you were trying to say. I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with what you were saying so why are you verbally attacking me for no reason again?
You are either assuming too much for your own good or are purposely bringing up things that are completely off topic in an attempt to start something with me.
I never wanted you to have some personal vendetta against me, but for some odd reason you chose to start one.
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Post by Graeme on Jun 23, 2004 6:41:27 GMT -5
I have contributed a serious solution to the problems of overpopulation of the third world and all you could do was: you mean some sort of re-colonization.
Come on, if that was not meant to be provocative and aggressive (or in Australian terms, who were being a smart arse, a dickhead) I don't know what it could be interpreted as. Amusing it was not.
Sooty, add something to the discussion or find some other person to be smart with. Otherwise you won't get anywhere with me, that is I will treat you like an idiot. Is that what you really are, some dumb arse idiot.
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Post by Afro on Jun 24, 2004 4:46:43 GMT -5
^^^ A question is a question, I see nothing "amusing" or "agressive" about my question.
Only someone looking to make something out of it would have.
You take me for a fool and I'll take you for a joke.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 24, 2004 7:51:58 GMT -5
I think that we should help the disadvantaged countries. The main impediment to helping them is the kind of government that many of the countries have. Africa and other regions have the human potential to become transformed societies if we have what it takes to remove the obstacles that are preventing our help.
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Post by Sandwich on Jun 27, 2004 2:24:00 GMT -5
Main thing we could do to help would be to stop erecting protectionist barriers against some of their produce. If we want to subsidize our traditional rural population, there are other ways of doing it. The most effective form of re-colonialization is that practiced by the French in Africa, the CFA Franc zone, by which these countries linked their currencies to the Franc - and now the Euro. CFA stands for Communaute Financiere Africaine, but everybody knows it means what it originally meant: Colonies Francaises d'Afrique. On the whole, the system has been beneficial, encouraging these countries to form a trading bloc of their own (promoting intra-African trade is important). It has of course been criticized for favouring urban elites and giving France undue influence. No free lunch, sure, but it has limited some of the wilder currency-manipulation excesses seen in other countries. I think it's been shown that the best way to curb population growth is - paradoxically - to help Africans cut back the level of infant mortality. If you're dependent on your kids for what you're going to eat when you get older, you're going to make damn sure you have lots of them so that some of them are around to feed you in thirty years time. Giving the women some degree of control over fertility helps too. It's the women who do most of the work in Africa anyway .
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Post by nordicyouth on Jul 3, 2004 21:30:33 GMT -5
Seeing as extermination and protectionism is only a further extension of the current situation it seems most respondents are in the neo-con to fascist category. Sorry out there to all those peacemakers, lol.
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Post by asdf on Sept 4, 2004 21:28:25 GMT -5
To be fair, your English is such shit, it's hard to tell what you mean.
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Post by BallisticaNervosa on Sept 7, 2004 2:29:57 GMT -5
Pff... we're all going to die, anyway. Don't sweat it.
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Post by gbloco on Sept 7, 2004 4:05:30 GMT -5
the more graeme i read the more i agree with him
anyway a rather novel solution to this question would be to ban all food imports and exports.
the only countries which would experience significant depopulation (i'll ignor city states) on this basis include:
iraq eqypt saudi arabia algeria morocco libya syria yemen
talk about killing two birds with one stone
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 7, 2004 4:09:05 GMT -5
Thing is, the Arab nations don't have particularly huge populations ( at least not yet ). They may be a source of much of the world's current troubles, but not overpopulation.
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