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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 13, 2004 8:19:51 GMT -5
Obviously it's simplistic, but if we took the time out to mull over all possible variables ever issue on Earth would reach deadlock and no one will do anything or take any action because of some undetermined factors --> THIS IS PC LIBERALISM. No one can overhaul anything or think outside the box because there are all these factors to consider, mostly whiny people. The whole point of this forum is to speculate, and I'm trying to get a feel where peoples opinions are. As far as Third World issues go, some of these points comprise the modern philosphical opinions on it.
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 14, 2004 13:13:38 GMT -5
"but if we took the time out to mull over all possible variables ever issue on Earth would reach deadlock and no one will do anything or take any action because of some undetermined factors --> THIS IS PC LIBERALISM."
Sorry you didnt put much time into what you listed for the poll.. in the qoute above it sounds like you want to say cool things like " this is pc liberalism" i assume this because you typed it in caps..
"No one can overhaul anything or think outside the box because there are all these factors to consider, mostly whiny people."
what? so basically you are saying you cant freely express yourself? hardly the fact unless you got fanatical ideas which im assuming so after reading the poll questions which offer no well thought out solutions.....
"The whole point of this forum is to speculate"
No the point of this forum is to speculate intelligently!!!!
"and I'm trying to get a feel where peoples opinions are. As far as Third World issues go"
Dude who are you joking? did you put much thought into what you listed in your "poll" lets take a look!
Let things be.<~~~~ok thought Help the Third World catch up.<~~ ok thought Take a lower standard of living.<~~~ what ?! Keep the poor poor and the rich rich.<~~~ what?! Kill off the Third World so we don't change.<~~ what?! Have less kids ourselves and let the TW take over.<~~ more of the same Overpopulation is a myth.<~ok thought Change the capitalist free market system. <~ what kind of intelligent thought is this? are you a communist?
ok so out of the 8 poll questions 5 are basically/fundamentally the same just worded differently..
oh yeah
"some of these points comprise the modern philosphical opinions on it."
it sounds to me you like saying cool things "modern philosphical opinions"
btw im not attacking you but expressing my opinion on you and this poll which i find to uttrly ridiculous.....
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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 15, 2004 12:01:32 GMT -5
Actually if you look at the synopsis of 'modern philosophical thought' i.e. on Third World hunger, you'll find 3 primary perspectives.
(1) Life-Boat Argument: wants to restrict immigration and claims TW aid breeds dependency and incompetence.
(2) Drowning-Child (Singer): we must help because we can.
(3) Economic System: capitalist free market trade causes an economic pyramid keeping the global south on the bottom, reform it, don't just throw money at it (Gomberg).
Take a lower standard of living is similar to (3) as it is more socialist in leaning.
HavĂng less kids is a joke, (mirroring to some extent the present situation), but I know people doing just that.
Overpopulation is a myth, is debatable.
Killing off the TW, etc., is the extension of the life-boat analogy.
Keep the poor poor and the rich rich, let things be, and have less kids are all seriously occuring at present. It's not that far fetched.
But then of course for the educated of society..
Saying 'cool' things? At least say 'fancy' to boot yourself up past age 12. I think you're breathing air way above your IQ.
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 15, 2004 22:32:37 GMT -5
Imperator-et-Rex i express myself and you just take a jab at me, thanks. why not jsut say "seig heil" and get it over with.
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Post by SKADI JU87 on Jun 16, 2004 3:00:31 GMT -5
:(I personally believe that over-population is a problem, being it that the majority of people seem to only care about the selfish needs for the 'upkeep' of humanity with no regards for the environment....That is what really gets me angry . The abuse on the planet (mass land clearing, eradication of wildlife species, pollution etc) is absolutely criminal on the part of mankind & is greatly enchanced by over-population of humans on this planet. The balance is WAY OUT! :'(in my opinion. More Trees and less people is what we need. Solutions?....Well..my main 2 are... Stop immigration. Strict laws for child bearing. (In relation to defects, wealth, limit of children (2 per couple).
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Post by Aria88 on Jun 16, 2004 8:50:27 GMT -5
PocketknifeandCompass has ruined my life again! Lordy, Lordy, no! Can't believe there ain't no White race. No! No! Ain't no White race! Sweet Lord baby Jesus, no! Now I got to get me to church and pray to that them there Yidonastick. I's a gonna burn in hell fer that one.
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 16, 2004 9:29:32 GMT -5
PocketknifeandCompass has ruined my life again! Lordy, Lordy, no! Can't believe there ain't no White race. No! No! Ain't no White race! Sweet Lord baby Jesus, no! Now I got to get me to church and pray to that them there Yidonastick. I's a gonna burn in hell fer that one. aria88,are you sure you are 42? also who said i didnt believe in the "white race" which im sure you are refering to the races of europe.unlike you i do not have petty pride in "race" i have pride in my ancestry and my "ancestors" who just happend to be "white". i cant believe im saying this to a 42 year old but,if you disagree with me try to have civil convo and act your age..
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Post by Graeme on Jun 16, 2004 11:09:45 GMT -5
The world is overpopulated? I don't think so. Maybe China, India and parts of SE Asia like Java are overpopulated. Europe's population is shrinking and getting old. Australia's population is getting old and grows only because of immigrants and their offspring. North America is not overpopulated. Africa is not overpopulated. The problem is the overuse of resources by a few wealthy parts of the world. My home State of Victoria is the size of England/Wales and has a population of about 5 million. It can support many, many more people, so can New South Wales and Queensland. The problems of Europe is the lack of reproduction due to the high cost of living, education, housing, and blatant self centreness. As far as the developed world, they should invest in the third world and make it produce everything and live off the proceeds. Let those people work and earn a decent living and induce them with good living standards to have fewer children. Just as people like Donald Trump own much property and businesses, employ indirectly many people, keep others in work, but actually do not produce anything themselves they do contribute to the US economy. The rich countries should do the same, own much property, businesses, employ many people in the third world, contribute to their economies, but actually produce nothing themselves and live off the hard work of the locals. It is a win/win situation and will slow population growth in those poorer countries.
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 16, 2004 11:11:58 GMT -5
Relevant : "Copenhagen Consensus:" Help the Tired, Poor, and Dispossessed to Stay Home www.vdare.com/sailer/copenhagen.htmTry it, you might like it. Note the part about agricultural subsidies to farmers in Western countries, especially.
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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 16, 2004 18:06:48 GMT -5
I'm not taking a jab at you, it's just that you want to seriously challenge me in an area that you just can't. Perhaps in recent pop. statistics, but not in philosophical thought. There's a term for this it's called --> UNIVERSITY. Yes, a cool long word I suppose...
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 16, 2004 21:46:34 GMT -5
I'm not taking a jab at you, it's just that you want to seriously challenge me in an area that you just can't. Perhaps in recent pop. statistics, but not in philosophical thought. There's a term for this it's called --> UNIVERSITY. Yes, a cool long word I suppose... i dont want to challenge you,i just think you offerd no realistic solutions.my point of posting is not to "win" arguments or to "tell you off"...........
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Post by Aria88 on Jun 16, 2004 22:55:40 GMT -5
I'm able to have "civil convo" with most, but that SwissArmyKnife boy doesn't deserve it. Besides, the boy has absolutely no sense of humor, as anyone who has been unfortunate enough to have perused a few of his posts. Boy gives me the heebyjeebies, as they say. Now he'll be claiming I called him a Heeb.
I know he wants to hear this:
Sieg heil.
Makes my day I made that boy so happy.
Buenas chochas.
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 16, 2004 23:15:23 GMT -5
aria88 i didnt claim you called me a heebie jeebie. why must you carry this on?you are 42 years old,give it up!i do have a sense of humor,but not when you say ridicules things. Hail kamarden! ha
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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 17, 2004 11:09:30 GMT -5
S&C! Did you take a look at Portugal's football team? Certainly they didn't look like the Russian team, that's fo sho! And you know I'm not talking about hair color or skin pigmentation...lol.
My advice, as the Cockney would have it: sha-up.
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 17, 2004 12:41:11 GMT -5
S&C! Did you take a look at Portugal's football team? Certainly they didn't look like the Russian team, that's fo sho! And you know I'm not talking about hair color or skin pigmentation...lol. My advice, as the Cockney would have it: sha-up. What are you commenting on? the cockneys would say "toss off ,you little git"
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