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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 20, 2005 19:28:31 GMT -5
Rome colonized parts northern Abyssinia into the border kingdom of Nubia....
I think fascist Italy only held Ethiopia for around 5 years or so,until they had to vacat cause of the British. Eritrean was taken by the Italians since 1885.
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Post by wadad on Dec 20, 2005 19:39:02 GMT -5
do somalis admire ethiopia? You'll get mixed responses to this. When Somalis refer to historical Ethiopia, they mean Christian Abyssinia...or Al-Habasha in Arabic. The Prophet (PBUH) urged Muslims to never wage war on Habasha, since they took in refuge the first asylum seekers from Muhammad's family, escaping the Meccans' abuse. However around the 13th century, the new Abyssinian dynasties were very aggressive, and burnt down the Islamic cities of Zeila and Harar. The 14th-16th century, Ethiopians continued to harass dominate and conquer The Islamic sultanates with their multicultural make ups of Somali, Afar, Oromo, and Arabs. So the first real Somali war against Ethiopia, was when Sultan Ahmed Gurey (Ahmed the Left-handed) waged a Jihad in 1529. By 1530, his army razed all of Ethiopia until where the Blue Nile estuary near Sudan It was also the first time cannon warfare was used in Sub-saharan Africa...Sultan Ahmed was provided with cannons and muskeeters by the Ottomans. so to answer your question, no...Somalis dont admire them, they are the natural enemy
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Post by Educate Me on Dec 20, 2005 21:48:46 GMT -5
didnt portugal help ethipia once? they sent 400 portuguese soldiers with modern (for those times) weapons, later the portuguese were expulsed because the ethiopian church didnt like them converting ethipians to catholicism if I recall correctly.
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Post by attis on Dec 20, 2005 21:56:57 GMT -5
I can't remember the exact story, but it seems there weren't that of hard feelings between the Ethiopians and Italians. The story was something like Emperor Haile Selassie giving a pension to one of the Italian governors or something like that, lol.
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Post by wadad on Dec 20, 2005 22:10:52 GMT -5
didnt portugal help ethipia once? they sent 400 portuguese soldiers with modern (for those times) weapons, later the portuguese were expulsed because the ethiopian church didnt like them converting ethipians to catholicism if I recall correctly. Wow impressive stuff, wouldnt expect someone to know this...yes Portugal did aid Ethiopians in that war...they provided soldiers and weaponry as well...they were led by Vasco Da Gama's son, Christavo (sp?) Oh i found a cite... So Vasco Da Gama's son was killed by Somalis ;D www.osmanlimedeniyeti.com/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrihim_al-Ghazi_.htmlAs far as I know the Portuguese saw in the Christian Ethio emperor, their legendery/mythical "Prestor John" the mythical Christian King which was said to rule over a Christian nation lost amidst the Muslims and pagans in the Orient. They were dissapointed when they found out map of Prestor John's kingdom according to Medievial myth: I also heard that the Catholicism conversion attempt was the reason Portuguese were expelled.
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Post by curiousman on Dec 21, 2005 4:15:09 GMT -5
You have not cited the entire story ... The survivors and Galawedos were afterwards able to join forces and, drawing on the Portuguese supplies, they attacked Ahmad on February 21, 1543 in the Battle of Wayna Daga, where their 9,000 troops managed to defeat the 15,000 soldiers under Ahmad. Ahmad was killed by a Portuguese musketteer, who was mortally wounded in avenging da Gama's death.www.osmanlimedeniyeti.com/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrihim_al-Ghazi_.htmlSo Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi was killed by Portoguese ;D
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Post by wadad on Dec 21, 2005 14:08:16 GMT -5
ahh stop messing with my flow
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Post by osservatore on Dec 22, 2005 8:20:53 GMT -5
Well Italy lost to Ethiopia in 1896. No problems with that. BTW, I never met a single italian which had problems admitting it. Honestly, the italian Govt. of that period shouldn't even begin a colonial policy. What I don't accept is the rhetoric, that I've heard both from ethiopians and from anti-colonialist italians, of the "poor but heroic warriors defeating the superior army of a european power". As a matter of fact, Italy wasn't such a power. It had just been reunificated, and was quite poor, at least in comparison with other european countries, and for sure not the best organized. Still, Italian Govt. managed to have its beloved colonies, and it had them. Secondly, the italian army defeated in Adwa by ethiopians wasn't by any mean a superior one. The inherent stupidity and dis-organization of italian generals pushed 18.000 italians (comprising colonial troops) in Adwa agaisnt an enemy estimated on 30.000 men, but that really was about 110/120.000 men. Another myth to get rid of: "the warriors armed with spears against the europeans with modern weapons". Actually ethiopian army at that time had modern english and french weapons, sometimes more reliable than their italian counterparts. I'm not saying this to deny the valor and courage of the ethiopians, which is well known in Italy- but, to put it simply, italian army was encircled and overwhelmed. That's all. Ciao!
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Post by nockwasright on Dec 22, 2005 10:37:06 GMT -5
^^I agree with everything Osservatore says. Under another viewpoint it is noticeable that the Italian army waged war to a much bigger Ethiopian army on the grounds that Europeans would have defeated a bunch of savages whatever their number. Things proved to be much different (baionets and bullets were surprisingly not impressed by the Europeanness of Italian soldiers), so I guess this battle is an important moment in the historical relations between Europe and SSA.
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