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Post by yigal on Dec 12, 2005 20:33:19 GMT -5
Didnt Abraham live in Ur, and isnt the genesis story of creation + the flood similar to other mesopotamian creation myths? abraham lived in ur of the chaldeas AFTER his family relocated from TERACH(kurdistan,north iraq) where they where from
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Post by Bar Amru on Dec 15, 2005 0:05:19 GMT -5
Yigal, Harran is not in North Iraq, it's in Southeast Turkey and originally it's actually North Syria but that's another topic.
Looking at Abraham's original name and the timeline around that area it sounds like he was an Akkadian speaker, his real name was Abram, it would more likely be known as Abi-Rammu at the time which means the high father.
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Post by cursio on Dec 15, 2005 0:18:54 GMT -5
maybe its an upright monitor lizard or sumpin
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Post by Bar Amru on Dec 15, 2005 0:23:03 GMT -5
That's one messed up map, Nineveh is located higher then Harran while it's the other way around.
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Post by cursio on Dec 15, 2005 0:26:33 GMT -5
Didnt Abraham live in Ur, and isnt the genesis story of creation + the flood similar to other mesopotamian creation myths? flood stories are universal in humans that doesnt make them myths ,now does it?
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 26, 2005 13:26:45 GMT -5
Yigal, Harran is not in North Iraq, it's in Southeast Turkey and originally it's actually North Syria but that's another topic. Looking at Abraham's original name and the timeline around that area it sounds like he was an Akkadian speaker, his real name was Abram, it would more likely be known as Abi-Rammu at the time which means the high father. well then i guess abraham was syrian not iraqui, not that it makes a diffrence since it was all assyrian land anyway
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 26, 2005 13:29:09 GMT -5
ps acourding to a christian bible study thing Haran was in north west iraq
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 26, 2005 13:30:31 GMT -5
ps acourding to a christian bible study thing Haran was in north west iraq Haran Haran was the name of a man (see also Bible History), and a place (see also Bible Places), related to Abraham. Haran, the man, was the son of Terah, brother of Abraham and Nahor, and father of Lot. Haran, the place, was a city in northwestern Mesopotamia (today Iraq) where Abraham lived after leaving his birthplace, Ur Of The Chaldees (today, southern Iraq), prior to entering what was to become the land of Israel (Abraham's grandson Jacob was renamed Israel, by God). www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20030707.htm
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Post by Bar Amru on Dec 26, 2005 15:15:44 GMT -5
I guess Harran the man was from modern day Iraq, but Harran the place is in Southeast Turkey, and you're right Harran was actually part of Assyria during the ancient times, the Assyrians called it Harranu (Which means "The Way or the Road"), and it was the home of their moon God (Sin), here's a modern map of its location: The one in red around it is obviously Harran, and the one with blue around it is modern day Urfa (Ancient Urhay), I put an arrow between them because some scholars have a theory that ancient day Urhay could've been the "Ur" that Abraham came out from, but this is only a theory I guess.
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Post by elizabeth2 on Dec 28, 2005 12:15:58 GMT -5
Did hebrews ever come incontact with cushites some one told me hebrew is a cushite languese?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 28, 2005 12:20:35 GMT -5
No, the "Hebrew" language, as the scholarly community unsurprisingly mislabels it after the fashion of Hellenic Jewish tradition, is a Canaanite language. The story is the Israelites adopted the language of the locals when they took Canaan. No one knows what they spoke before arriving in that land, and obviously some people don't even believe it ever happened.
And there are many different Cushes. There's a Meroitic Cush (Nubia), an Arabian/Sabaean Cush, possibly a Horner/Sabaean Cush, etc. Nobody can really decide what's what with Cush. That word's been tied to just about every land bordering the Red Sea. And hell, even to the Kassites of the Zagros Mountains.
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Post by blueskygod on Jan 1, 2006 18:06:03 GMT -5
I spoke to a Rabbi in Kazakstan about many of the Ashkenazi jews originating from Khazaria, and he laughed and said it was ludicrous and that he knew a man that managed to trace his ancestry to Abraham. LOL
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Post by psychosemitic on Jan 1, 2006 23:36:49 GMT -5
i think closest u get to a khazar is me(amerindian jew)
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 2, 2006 0:27:43 GMT -5
Aren't you confusing it with Hatay?
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Post by blueskygod on Jan 2, 2006 0:32:05 GMT -5
how can u be an amerindian jew. im turanid and have a maternal jewish great grandmother. beat that u evil chicken
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