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Post by mhagneto on Oct 20, 2005 17:22:14 GMT -5
Don't critique Afrocentrists when the one pointing the finger, unknowingly, lays the same bullshit. Who is "the one pointing the finger... lays the same bullshit"? To whom or what are you referring?
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Post by human2 on Oct 20, 2005 17:43:44 GMT -5
Don't critique Afrocentrists when the one pointing the finger, unknowingly, lays the same bullshit. Who is "the one pointing the finger... lays the same bullshit"? To whom or what are you referring? I should've made it clear Like you, I was making tangential comments about the subject, not you. It was more of a comment on those who think they are so far off from Afrocentrists... I'd we are all human beings differing by degrees but not quality That was my point
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Post by Crimson Guard on Oct 20, 2005 17:58:49 GMT -5
why call it Eurasia,why not just Europe? Afterall both names are European(Greek/Italian in origin! The point is, theirs different factors and conceptions involved obviously that make a Contintent a Continent. Good article here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent
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Post by tatus on Nov 20, 2005 19:19:34 GMT -5
Start printing the maps then. I we were to respect only geographical accident to draw political lines there wouldn't be countries. Hey, if Europe is a valid political concept, then Egypt is African, with the term African having a specific meaning that can be defined in a way that makes Afrocentrists happy. I mean some of the statues of ancient Egyptians can pass for black Americans. How do you expect some of them to feel? BTW, not all blacks feel that way. Many have no problems with Ethiopians being partly West Eurasian at all. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Exactly,I mean no disrespect to Egypt,but I've met alot of Afrocentrics who don't care about Egypt at all. But then you have a few of those greedy publicity seeking types who just need to "discover" something.
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Post by redbaron on Dec 3, 2005 10:00:02 GMT -5
If West Africans had adopted Egyptian ideas and practices (like Greece and Rome did) then West Africans could lay as much claim to it as Europeans. But as it stands, I don't see how, say, Igbo and Yoruba socieites had anything to do with Egypt, either culturally or racially. West Africa had its own culture. Why don't Afrocentrists pay more attention to it? So what if they weren't building pyramids and didn't have writing systems? Finnish, American Indians, and Maori--to name a few--are quite proud of their hunter-gatherer/pastoralist past.
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Post by tatus on Dec 3, 2005 16:28:05 GMT -5
If West Africans had adopted Egyptian ideas and practices (like Greece and Rome did) then West Africans could lay as much claim to it as Europeans. But as it stands, I don't see how, say, Igbo and Yoruba socieites had anything to do with Egypt, either culturally or racially. West Africa had its own culture. Why don't Afrocentrists pay more attention to it? So what if they weren't building pyramids and didn't have writing systems? Finnish, American Indians, and Maori--to name a few--are quite proud of their hunter-gatherer/pastoralist past. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Well,I think it has alot to do with the way the world treats West African culture and Africans as a whole. If you look at America for eg, you'll find that African-Americans have lived in America way longer than italians,greeks,chinese,puerto ricans and cubans, but there is no repesentation of that. In New York you have the puerto rican day parade,italian eateries etc. African Americans are promoted to make money,not really for their culture . America has westernized and marketed African- Americans to make money. I think its difficult for African-Americans to go back to" their roots". The closer you can get to European looks way of life the more intrest there is in your history. --------------------------------------------------------- West African Nation Ghana has a rich history Castles,Forts But I still believe that race and skin color has alot to do with it. Even though Egypt is located in North Africa,Europeans / Eurocentrics still are overly concerned with EGYPTIAN history. All of them need to worry about them selves/culture.
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Post by redbaron on Dec 3, 2005 17:41:46 GMT -5
But I still believe that race and skin color has alot to do with it. Even though Egypt is located in North Africa,Europeans / Eurocentrics still are overly concerned with EGYPTIAN history. All of them need to worry about them selves/culture. First of all, those forts in Ghana were built by European slavers. I don't know and don't really care about Eurocentrists, but if Europeans hadn't "worried themselves" with Egypt we wouldn't know 99% of what we know about it today. What have Afrocentrists contributed to Egyptology? Name ONE thing. A political re-writing of history does not count. At any rate, it is my opinion that all culture belongs to all humanity. I am entirely in favor of global consciousness, yadda yadda yadda. Like I said before, West African culture, in my view, is similar to the old Finnish or Maori cultures. There is plenty to "be proud of" in these cultures without having to make things up. This culture still exists in bits and pieces throughout the Americas and *gasp* in places like Nigeria. It's all there ready to be studied. There are probably folk stories on par with Shakespeare ready to be recorded, but where are the Afrocentrists? Do you ever see them funding research projects to collect the stories of the Igbo? Hmm? On a personal note, I would much rather have been born into ancient/medieval West Africa than ancient Egypt. Primary cultures (smaller groups) like those found in West Africa were often healthier for the individual than life in "high civilizations" like Egypt or Rome (unless you were in the elite). In primary cultures people usually lived longer, freer lives, worked less, and ate protein-rich diets, unlike their counterparts in "civilization" who ate a steady diet of grain and lived at the mercy of the local ruler who controlled the irrigation canals. We might think "oh but they didn't have written language or architecture"--well neither did the vast majority of people in ancient civilizations. They were mostly illiterate and never saw the inside of palaces/temples/etc.
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Post by tatus on Dec 3, 2005 18:14:00 GMT -5
I'm not arguing at all. I'm trying to point out, some of the same things you've just wrote. America and Afrocentrics don't want to promote West African culture because their interested in popular culture ie. Rap,Egypt basically anything that is promoted on MTV ,B.E.T,National Geographics etc. If the media ever showed/promoted West African culture in a half positive light,things would be different. Those Afrocentrics who love big news and discoveries would be all over West African culture.
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Post by redbaron on Dec 3, 2005 18:41:54 GMT -5
Oh, okay. I get you. But I would say that there is plenty of stuff out there. I just saw a fantastic documentary on the Harlem Renaissance. What an unbelievable time in American history. Totally fascinating stuff. So I think the problem is larger than representation. Americans just don't want to learn, and this is because they have not be given the necessary education to provide for a lifetime of learning. Forget West African history, most Americans--white, black, or purple--don't know their own nation's history.
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Post by yigal on Dec 3, 2005 20:35:37 GMT -5
i personally belive in black egypt, because i smoke in little egypt and quite a few of them are blackish like derik jeter
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Post by redbaron on Dec 3, 2005 21:54:32 GMT -5
I've known Egyptians who've ranged from blonde (usually limited to childhood) to quite dark. It makes sense that it would be a mixed nation since it's the gateway to the Mediterranean for Africa.
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Post by tatus on Dec 4, 2005 12:59:56 GMT -5
i personally belive in black egypt, because i smoke in little egypt and quite a few of them are blackish like derik jeter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL,ok Eurocentrics can claim Egypt and the Afrocentrics should claim the pyramids etc. in Sudan. -------------------------------------------------------------------- news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3641516.stm
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Post by betrand on Dec 15, 2005 10:29:03 GMT -5
The concept of who should what is all rooted in misplaced ethnocentrism. A modern day Egyptian has no more claim to the pyramids of Giza that a Scot or Chinese person, just as an African American has no claim to anything West African simply because the ancestral population from which we descend came from West Africa. Biological affinity and culture are two different entities that often do not go hand in hand as in the case with say modern Greeks and ancient Greeks. Modern Greeks for example may have some biological affinity with ancient Greeks[DNA for example] but culturally they have no affinity. laying "claim" to anything or or any civilization that existed thousands of years ago is ludicrous, there's nothing to be gained from it.
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Post by olympian on Dec 15, 2005 12:13:27 GMT -5
r u retarded or something??
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Post by betrand on Dec 15, 2005 12:31:42 GMT -5
r u retarded or something?? I am not retarded, I just don't believe in the concept of ethnocentric chest pounding by claiming the civilizations of ancient peoples without that person doing nothing special themselves. people can look back in awe and admire what the ancients have done but no one is the 21st century can rightfully lay claim to anything that was done 6000 years ago.
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