Post by Agrippa on Sept 16, 2005 21:50:05 GMT -5
Because of that article:
And the later discussion, I post some thoughts here, seems to be easier to discuss:
Thats true but it was the first major, stabilised and widespread cultural group inside of Europe.
What I meant was they were in Danubian Europe and as a contact group to the, to me central, Corded Ware. Sure it was a later formation and before that there was Vinca etc., but the point is they spread Agriculture in the heart of Europe and had contacts in all directions. Tripolje-Cucuteni is indeed considered IE by some people to and could have brought certain techniques to the later Kurgan people.
As for the, if talking about the IE problem, central element, the Corded Ware people, they show the closest affinities both in culture and anthropologically to the LBK people, but of course have influences from the East, Kurgan too. However, if making a continuity its rather going from early Balkan groups, formation in the LBK spreading through the later Tripolje-Cucuteni (which is said to have developed out of LBK) to the Kurgan-Yamna group.
At least in most books and articles I read the LBK is the predecessor to Cucuteni, therefore most likely influential on the Kurgan group too.
So even if the Kurgan group spread the IE languages and had a stronger influence on the Corded people than the later LBK-Lengyel, we can say that they "brought back" what earlier LBK "brought to them".
Because the LBK was the central intermediary between early Anatalian-Balkan groups and the formation of Central-Eastern European Neolithic cultures (at least in what saw so far Cucuteni is rather a derivate of the LBK).
So my idea is that the early farmer groups influenced in the Danubian area local H-G's, they adopted certain techniques and partly mixed with the newcomers. If they gave the language or the newcomers can't be said definitive. In every case more Northern in the Danubian area the LBK formation took place and influenced other groups, through Cucuteni also the Kurgan people - (Corded were the result of Central and Eastern influence, but both sides had finally the same Balkan-Neolithic-intermediary LBK) source.
And the later discussion, I post some thoughts here, seems to be easier to discuss:
The LBK was a later expression of the Neolithic in Europe, and not the original Neolithic.
Thats true but it was the first major, stabilised and widespread cultural group inside of Europe.
What I meant was they were in Danubian Europe and as a contact group to the, to me central, Corded Ware. Sure it was a later formation and before that there was Vinca etc., but the point is they spread Agriculture in the heart of Europe and had contacts in all directions. Tripolje-Cucuteni is indeed considered IE by some people to and could have brought certain techniques to the later Kurgan people.
As for the, if talking about the IE problem, central element, the Corded Ware people, they show the closest affinities both in culture and anthropologically to the LBK people, but of course have influences from the East, Kurgan too. However, if making a continuity its rather going from early Balkan groups, formation in the LBK spreading through the later Tripolje-Cucuteni (which is said to have developed out of LBK) to the Kurgan-Yamna group.
At least in most books and articles I read the LBK is the predecessor to Cucuteni, therefore most likely influential on the Kurgan group too.
So even if the Kurgan group spread the IE languages and had a stronger influence on the Corded people than the later LBK-Lengyel, we can say that they "brought back" what earlier LBK "brought to them".
Because the LBK was the central intermediary between early Anatalian-Balkan groups and the formation of Central-Eastern European Neolithic cultures (at least in what saw so far Cucuteni is rather a derivate of the LBK).
So my idea is that the early farmer groups influenced in the Danubian area local H-G's, they adopted certain techniques and partly mixed with the newcomers. If they gave the language or the newcomers can't be said definitive. In every case more Northern in the Danubian area the LBK formation took place and influenced other groups, through Cucuteni also the Kurgan people - (Corded were the result of Central and Eastern influence, but both sides had finally the same Balkan-Neolithic-intermediary LBK) source.