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Post by Educate Me on Sept 11, 2005 0:08:58 GMT -5
www.hostkingdom.net/earthrul.htmlThis is the list 1-British Empire 2-Soviet Empire 3-Mongol Empire 4-Spanish Colonial Empire 5-Russian Federation 6-Fascist Axis 7-The Caliphate 8-French Colonial Empire 9-Chinese Empire 10-Portuguese Colonial Empire 11-Canada 12-USA 13-Brazil 14-Australia 15-Persian Empire 16-Seljuq Empire 17-Roman Empire 18-Ottoman Empire 19-The Macedonian Empire 20-Mexico 21-Almoravid Empire 22-TimurĀ“s Empire 23-Mughal Empire 24-Seleucid Empire 25-Argentina 26-Kazakhstan 27-Ghaznavid Empire If you visit the link, it gives you the date of greatest extent, and number of sq miles/kilometers. For example, Mexico wouldnt make the list nowadays, it is on the list because of its pre-mexican american war territory. 2 Mistakes 1)The Axis were 3 different countries allied, they dont belong in this list. 2)the link says : "The Spanish Colonial Empire At its largest reach, roughly 1740-1790 Spain controlled about half of South America, more than a third of North America, and had significant holdings in the Pacific basin." That is wrong, the Spanish Colonial Empire was at its largest reach when they anexed Portugal and Its Colonies, still not enough to beat the Mongols in the list.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 11, 2005 2:03:29 GMT -5
well it isnt accurate thats for sure...
The British Empire was never as large nor lasted as Long as the Roman Empire nor did they take on and defeat as many other Rival Empires and other hostile Warrior races as Rome did.And the fact that other than Roman Italy no other Country has ever fully and dominated and ruled over Europe,Asian and Africa,though many have tried and failed. Rome is Number 1 followed by the Alexandrian Empire. And in terms of Resources the Roman Empire had it all at the time.
The Mongol Empire may have stretched a great distance,but they where never an administrative people nor united ...also most of the land mass was just endless steppes.
the United State despite clandestine Imperialistic attitudes and actions,does not constitute an Empire,its just a Superpower like the Soviet Union,they used Satellite States as administrative tools,they did not rule completely nor absolutely .
Nazi Germany had the beginning of an Empire,but it lasted for around 4 years .Fascist Italy had parts of North and East African and shared the balkans and parts of Russia with Germany.
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Post by Educate Me on Sept 11, 2005 2:08:34 GMT -5
this is only about territory crimson, not greatness, power influence etc.. notice canada ranked over the USA
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 11, 2005 2:19:56 GMT -5
Exactly. As far as greatness goes, Rome was and still is unrivalled, but as far as territory goes, it wasn't and still isn't the biggest.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 11, 2005 2:29:50 GMT -5
yes and Britain did not have Continual Territory like Rome did..Look at a map of the Roman Empire and compare it to Britain. Territorial speaking Rome was larger than the Axis and Austrialia,lol !
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 11, 2005 2:39:18 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if it was continual. It matters how big it was at its height.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 11, 2005 3:09:14 GMT -5
Right Mike... The Roman Empire stretched from The North Atlantic coast to North Africa to the Red Sea,From Scotland to Kuwait. Its land mass was equal to more than half of the Continental USA.Its territory is split among more than 30 modern nations.Its population reached over 60 million people,which was about one fifth of the world's then population. Your talking modern Countries like: Spain Andorra Portugal United kingdom France/Corsica Monaco Luxembourg Belgium Netherlands Germany Switzerland Liechtenstein Italy/Sicily/Sardinia San Moreno Vatican Malta Austrian Czech Republic Greece Slovenia Romania Bulgaria Bosnia Albania Slovakia Croatia Hungary Yugoslavia FRYM/Macedonia Turkey Georgia Armenia Azerbaijan Kuwait Iraq Saudi Arabia Syria Lebanon Cyprus Jordan Palestine/Israel Algeria Morocco Egypt Sudan Libya The moral of this tale is that the Roman Empire is in the single digits not #17,HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 11, 2005 3:56:06 GMT -5
It was huge at the height of its expansion, but not the biggest.
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Post by byz on Sept 11, 2005 5:18:33 GMT -5
The Mongolian empire was bigger, but barely lasted a generation. Do we consider the East Roman (Byzantine) empire the continutation of ancient Rome, or an empire and civilisation unto itself - uniting forms of Roman government with Greek ideas and education, the Christian religion and forms of Near Eastern art and learning? It's culture was much different from the Latin culture of West Rome - Greeks appear to have dominated the East. Even Eastern Orthodox Christianity (in my opinion, please don't flame me) seems to be Hebraised Greek paganism - the gods and heroes being replaced by the archangels and saints. I think it's culture was different from that start, and also that its government, though taking much from Rome, also developed on it's own terms.
Also, why is the Aztec empire hardly ever mentioned?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 11, 2005 5:24:27 GMT -5
Exactly. This only measures the size of the empire's territory at the height of its expansion. It doesn't measure longevity, which is obviously far more important.
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Post by Springa on Sept 11, 2005 8:55:42 GMT -5
You're right, but the site does not consider time, just space, meaning the ranking is about how big it was, not how long it lasted. It also doesn't matter (to the site) if the territories were continuous or not, or even if it was an empire or a country. That's why the topics says "empires/countries". well it isnt accurate thats for sure... The British Empire was never as large nor lasted as Long as the Roman Empire nor did they take on and defeat as many other Rival Empires and other hostile Warrior races as Rome did.And the fact that other than Roman Italy no other Country has ever fully and dominated and ruled over Europe,Asian and Africa,though many have tried and failed. Rome is Number 1 followed by the Alexandrian Empire. And in terms of Resources the Roman Empire had it all at the time. The Mongol Empire may have stretched a great distance,but they where never an administrative people nor united ...also most of the land mass was just endless steppes. the United State despite clandestine Imperialistic attitudes and actions,does not constitute an Empire,its just a Superpower like the Soviet Union,they used Satellite States as administrative tools,they did not rule completely nor absolutely . Nazi Germany had the beginning of an Empire,but it lasted for around 4 years .Fascist Italy had parts of North and East African and shared the balkans and parts of Russia with Germany.
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Post by Platypus on Sept 11, 2005 9:11:30 GMT -5
There are different kinds of Empire
1) The British Empire of Queen Victoria (dubbed the most powerful woman ever) was composed either by countries founded by the British and still under British rule or by countries annexed as Colonies (add Portugese, French Colonial) 2) The Roman one was one of absorption, following a ripple effect from the capital, military this was represented by an Offensive strategy followed by a Defensive one. (add the Empire of Charlemagne)
3) The Spanish Habsburg Empire of Charles V (15519-56) which was a combination of new world colonies old world legacies (H.Roman Empire) and annexed territories (Lombardy, kingdom of Naples)
4) The Empires of Alexander the Great and Gengis Kahn (man of the millenium) where created because of the rapidity of their military advance over large empty territories. Attempts to impose an administration resulted in fragmentation under local rulers
5) Napoleon's French, Hitler's Reich, to a certain extent the Assyrian empire, provide an example military conquest or subduing of established Nations. The continous military activity to made this possible eventualy exausted these powers.
6) The Russian (19th) Ottoman, Chinese, Persian, Byzantine Habsburgic and HREmpire, where monarchies ruling overe a large selection of Peoples and territories for relatively long periods.
As far as making a top six list, For Territorial military expansion: Mongol Empire (13th) For Cultural\Religious influence: Islamic conquest (from 7th) For Duration: the Byzantine Empire (4th-15th) For Integration: Roman Empire (1stBC-5th) For Larger nation under a Monarchy: Russian Empire (1619-1918) For Oversea power: British Empire (1815-1945)
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Post by Educate Me on Sept 11, 2005 13:06:38 GMT -5
The aztec were just not big enough to make the list, there were no horses in america, so expansion and trade in the andes and mexico was limited.
The incas had a greater empire than the aztecs anyway.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 11, 2005 13:09:39 GMT -5
The correct figure for the Roman Empire is actually 2.5 million Sq miles.
The 60 million figure was just those that claimed Citizenship,as many 120 million people may have lived within its borders...
Rome's outreach of course stretched much further all the way to Eastern China ...where embassies and Military Outposts where established,in fact relations with China beganwith Ceasar Augustus*maybe even earliar).Roman shipping remains have been found in india. The Roman's where a maritime Superpower aswel(thank's largly inpart due to the Sicilians/ the Sicilian Marines which made up most of the Roman Navy).
Theirs strong evidence that the Roman's reached the Americas though not as conquerors but as Merchant traders.. And had relations with the Mesoamerican cultures,which probably started with the Phoencians and Greeks.
The only Equal to the Roman Empire in terms of Superpower status and Militarily where the Han Dynasty.To bad Both never joined forces and conquered Mongolia and Russia.
Well that web-site's description and methods are extremely misleading and rather a false way of showing who came closest to ruling the World as its trying to show.
"The Roman Empire did conquer the then known World,and theoretically came the closest"!
*Yes the Byzantine Empire(which is a misnomer was still the eastern portions of the Roman Empire(Eastern Roman Empire or Romania are the correct title name),it was the same thing.So Rome didnt fall until the 15th century AD!In fact they for short time retook Italy,and put the Imperial Capital in Sicily!
Constantine biggest mistake was spliting the Empire.
I agree the Aztec's,Ican and Mayan Empire's should be given consideration.
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Post by byz on Sept 11, 2005 20:50:49 GMT -5
I'm not so sure that the East Roman Empire is really the same as the earlier Roman empire. It's true that it occupied the eastern areas of Rome, but its' cultural and demic influences were much different. It outlived the West Roman empire, becoming a stable, culturally and economically rich empire of Greeks, Syrians, Slavs and others. I don't think that we should simply say that because they used Roman titulary, that they were the same as the old Roman Empire. In fact, the Eastern Roman empire was developing its' own identity, and was virtually a Greek Christian Orthodox state before it fell to the Ottomans. When people refered to themselves as "Romiosyni", Romans in Greek, they referred to their belonging to the political and religious framework of Eastern Rome. The fact that this was said in Greek already indicates the cultural split between the West and the East, and by the tenth century, usage of the term "Hellene" had become popular among the Greeks again. The East Roman Empire absorbed a number of influences, Roman among them - but it was not solely a continuation of Rome, nor solely a continuation of Hellenistic models - it became an empire unto itself, and I believe it needs to be considered as a separate entity.
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