Garamantes, an old Saharan Berber people

[Igu]

(...) Among the ancient peoples of the Sahara, the history of Garamantes was certainly the most significant, most powerful and also the most advanced.

The heart of this civilization was in the south of current Libya, in edge of the solid mass of Fezzan. It is not exaggerated of saying that there was a nourished garamantic culture of a Trans-Saharan trade which ensured the relations between the countries of north, impregnated Mediterranean civilizations and those of the south where savanna shelters the African cultures [As if the "mediterranean" Berber culture was not African].

The name of Garamantes mean "people of the houses". The root arhrham, "house, construction", is a pan-Berber root. The many ruins of the El-Agial wadi testify in favour of this assumption.

The Work of the Italian anthropologist Sergi shade lights on the Garamantes' physical appearance. Among craniums collected, Sergi recognized 46,6 % as Mediterranean ("Eurafricains"), 26,6 % "Negrified Eurafricains" and 26,6 % of Negroïds.(...)

Herodutus says: "Garamantes have harnessed carriages with four horses, on which they pursue the Ethiopian Troglodytes...".(Slave trade)

(Seems that Garamantes got fully "Negrified" through slave trade)

(...)"In the funerary enclosure were found many Greek amphoras, for the majority, written in libyco-Berber Alphabet."



Full Article (In French):

www.clio.fr/bibliotheque/Les_Garamantes_conducteurs_de_chars_et_bAtisseurs_dans_le_Fezzan_antique.asp

[iberomaurusian]

igu said:

The Work of the Italian anthropologist Sergi shade lights on the Garamantes' physical appearance. Among craniums collected, Sergi recognized 46,6 % as Mediterranean ("Eurafricains"), 26,6 % "Negrified Eurafricains" and 26,6 % of Negroïds.(...)

Cool!

[Igu]

BTW, you getting a better Karma after whining in the anything goes section, got lot of friends hein?

[Crimson Guard]

Berter got most of that abundance of Negative karma when he wasnt even posting,that time when he spent a week or 2 off of the forum when he was on that vacation.

[Ponto Hardbottle]

Sergi called Mediterranid type people Eurafrican in recognition of the fact that Mediterranid people are the original, indigenous inhabitants of the Mediterranean basin on the north, south and east sides. The name has been misunderstood to mean mulatto and fallen out of use. Libya is quite heavily negroid today, that must have been some slave trade.

[Charlie Bass]

Michael Brett and Elizabeth Fentress, "The Berbers", Blackwell Publishing, 1996, p.206

"The physical anthropology of the skeletons recovered from the tombs of the Garamantes in the Fezzan and protohistoric tombs in the Ahaggar compares well with the modern Tuareg."

[Ewig Berter]

hobotraveler said:

Michael Brett and Elizabeth Fentress, "The Berbers", Blackwell Publishing, 1996, p.206

"The physical anthropology of the skeletons recovered from the tombs of the Garamantes in the Fezzan and protohistoric tombs in the Ahaggar compares well with the modern Tuareg."

Garamantes as depicted by themselves --- mostly gracile mediterranids.
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Source: www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~e118/photo-gallery/Libya-Acacus/index_1.html#view3i.jpg

[Crimson Guard]

Yes their Mediterranean Caucasoids end of story..

Bass is just mad jealoustroll and disgruntled because his blacks dont exist ,and he lacks ancient high culture,which he seeks to rob from these ancient noble people by instilling his B.S blackwash .

[Ewig Berter]

More on the Garamantes:
The Garamantes - an ecological disaster? www.archaeology.co.uk/cwa/issues/cwa9/cwa9.htm
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Deep in the Saharan desert, 300 miles south of the Mediterranean, the Garamantes formed a remarkable civilisation at the time of the Roman Empire. The secret appeared to be a hidden source of water: deep under the desert, huge quantities of water had been trapped ever since the Ice Age, when the Sahara bloomed and received a regular rainfall.

During the Greek and Roman period, this underground water supply was discovered and huge undergrou7nd channels were dug and water extracted from them. The photo below shows the entrance to one of these fogarras or underground channels.


How were the fogarras constructed? Some see them as being the product of slave labour but one wonders whether they were constructed with the help of Roman contractors.

The Romans saw the Garamantes as being raiders, but the Roman influence was clearly powerful. Here is a Roman-style mausoleum which may have served as a monument to one of the Gramantian kings.


But the extraction of water led to an ecological disaster, for it was never replaced and once extracted, it was gone. By the end of the Roman period therefore the civilisation had contracted to become simply an oasis in the desert.

This view shows two lines of foggaras, marked by the lines of the shafts, running from bottom left to the middle of the picture.

[Charlie Bass]

crimsonguard said:

Yes their Mediterranean Caucasoids end of story..

Bass is just mad jealoustroll and disgruntled because his blacks dont exist ,and he lacks ancient high culture,which he seeks to rob from these ancient noble people by instilling his B.S blackwash .

Stupid, Garamantes were black:


"The Sahara and the Garamantes were a Neolithic civilization combining fishing and stock raising. They were Negroid peoples with a pastoral economy."

www.csupomona.edu/~mibrahim/hst.329/NA.antiquity.html


Those people aren't 'gracile Meds', those are Saharan Elongated types.

[Crimson Guard]

Charlie they where Caucasoid..be silent moron!

[Mike the Jedi]

There's no way to tell if those rock paintings depict Saharids or Sahelids (Melanoderms) or both.

[Charlie Bass]

crimsonguard said:

Charlie they where Caucasoid..be silent moron!

Crimson you are wrong.......*AGAIN*


"Garamantian life
Archaeologists excavated part of the Garamantes' capital (modern Germa, about 150 km west of modern-day Sebha) in the 1960's and named it Garama (An earlier capital, Zinchecra, was located not far from the later Garama.). Current research indicates that the Garamantes had about eight major towns, three of which have been examined as of 2004. In addition they had a large number of other settlements. Garama had population of some four thousand and another six thousand living in villages within a 5 km radius.

The Garamantes were farmers, engineers and merchants. Their religion was based on Egyptian models, and some of their dead were buried in small pyramids. They used the Libyco-Berber script for writing.

The Garamants' diet consisted of grapes, figs, barley and wheat. They traded wheat, salt and slaves in exchange of imported wine and olive oil, oil lamps and Roman tableware. According to Strabo and Pliny, the Garamantes quarried amazonite in the Tibesti Mountains.

This is generally debated that the Garamantes were Berbers or Nilo-Saharan people. Also the so-called sub-Saharans that the Garamantes hunted were actually little pgymy type people that lived in caves. Claudius Ptolemis does refer to the Garamantes as Ethiopies meaning they were not white skinned Berbers. Around Fezzan was found skeletal evidence of early more Negriod populations."


www.fanice.com/articles/Garamantes

[Mike the Jedi]

I recall reading from Herodotus about how the Garamantes chased the Troglodyte Ethiopians (the modern Toubou) on chariots.



So, Tuareg-like or not, it's obvious the Garamantes had contact with black people.

[Crimson Guard]

Bass read the rest of the article not just the highlighted parts you like to hear. Your a serious dumbass!

Garamantians hunted down Ethopians and other black Africans for sport.