Airplanes, UFOs, in Ancient Egypt???

[mike2]

Yeah, it also looks like one of those speeders from Star Wars.

[trustme]

mike2 said:

Yeah, it also looks like one of those speeders from Star Wars.

Well a tank and a helicopter make sense to me the tank looks like a Russian T-1 tank and the helicopter looks like an Apache those seem appropriate for now a days in the middle east and areas sorrounding it dont they.

[Wadaad]

<-- this toy plane found in Saqqara, Egypt is the most amazing thing out of them all, I read that its specifications are correct and a prototype glider fitting its proportions and wing span was flown successfully

[Liquid Len]

It's a famous puzzle, but it has been solved up long ago.

This is a graphically modified pic in which the technically looking objects were made more visible:


This pic here on the other hand has not been touched up:



As Baladi has remraked: In principle it's just a so called palimpsest. That means a later pharao has taken some texts of an earlier pharao and cemented parts of it up. Then he wrote his own text on it. Later the plaster fell off and suddenly there were several hieroglyphs visible being on top of each other; the result were these strange characters. But both layers of characters can be reconstructed and both texts are readable and comprehensible.

Some examples:

The tank:


The hand stands for the consonant "d", the other sign for an "m".

The submarine:


The mouth is an "r", the lower arm a "c", and the basket a "k".

The helicopter:


The bow is a "pd.t" (pedjet), the lower arm with stick is a determinative, and there is a combination of a lower arm ("c") with a quail chick ("w").

mysteria3000.de/archiv/ps/abydos.htm

[rob1980]

That picture has been photoshopped. The picture is real but the heiroglyphs have been changed on the top two I believe.

[omegaspan]

Another Egyptian enigma.....


.......or more wishfull thinking from researchers with an overpowered imagination?



The problem is that people try to comprehend egyptians using their own logic, not the egyptian logic. Therefore they see tanks, helicopters, spaceships, flying pigs, etc.


Lets question ourselves: even if the Egyptians had the technology to create flying machines, why would they make them identical to the modern ones?


If they had an airplane why wouldnt they make it in the form of a flying beatle, for example, but in the form of modern day helicopters?

[phrost]

omegaspan said:

If they had an airplane why wouldnt they make it in the form of a flying beatle, for example, but in the form of modern day helicopters?

Maybe it has to do with something regarding engineering difficulties and aerodynamics than with aesthetics?

[Wadaad]

OK appreciate your explanations, but no one commented on the model toy plane


too uncanny

<-- this one is obviously a bird of prey (falcon or hawk maybe)

[Crimson Guard]

www.dudeman.net/siriusly/aliens/ast.shtml

[omegaspan]

phrost said:

omegaspan said:

If they had an airplane why wouldnt they make it in the form of a flying beatle, for example, but in the form of modern day helicopters?

Maybe it has to do with something regarding engineering difficulties and aerodynamics than with aesthetics?

Since you used the word aerodynamics, i guess you must be refering to good functionality of the supposed flying vehicle. Good choice, using common western sense.

When they bury you, dear forum co-user, what is the best functional way to dispose of your material remains? It is of course to dig a hole in the ground and throw you inside, to fertilize or poison the grounds of future generations!

And i agree with you. This is the most functional kind of grave.


Yet, a royal egyptian grave, dear reader, was a 230x230 metre stone structure, 147 metres in height having the shape of a pyramid, weighting 5.273.000 tons*.

Would you call that "functional"?





[glow=red,2,300]MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! [/glow]

It was more an aesthetics matter, i think..........





*if we add 15 zeros to this number we get the weight of the Earth.

[Liquid Len]

rob1980 said:

That picture has been photoshopped. The picture is real but the heiroglyphs have been changed on the top two I believe.

I'm not sure which one you mean. As I said, the first one is clearly touched up. The second one is also modified, but only to rectify the angle of the text.

[phrost]

omegaspan said:

phrost said:

Maybe it has to do with something regarding engineering difficulties and aerodynamics than with aesthetics?

Since you used the word aerodynamics, i guess you must be refering to good functionality of the supposed flying vehicle. Good choice, using common western sense.

When they bury you, dear forum co-user, what is the best functional way to dispose of your material remains? It is of course to dig a hole in the ground and throw you inside, to fertilize or poison the grounds of future generations!

And i agree with you. This is the most functional kind of grave.


Yet, a royal egyptian grave, dear reader, was a 230x230 metre stone structure, 147 metres in height having the shape of a pyramid, weighting 5.273.000 tons*.

Would you call that "functional"?





[glow=red,2,300]MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! [/glow]

It was more an aesthetics matter, i think..........





*if we add 15 zeros to this number we get the weight of the Earth.

(Now dont put words into my mouth. Those are of your own insertions.)
My dear forum co-user it seems you have a grave all prepared for yourself already. Now that would be functional woud you not say?

Contrary to the mostly ignorant public the use of pyramids as graves are actually quite rare and higly debaited. Most tombs are found in the Valley of the Kings and not pyramids. And it has been highly suggested the pyramids are representative of Egyptian religious cosmology (but built on a mundane earth). Osiris on earth so to speak.

[aktaios]

wadaad said:

OK appreciate your explanations, but no one commented on the model toy plane...

Probably cause there is nothing mysterious, weird and extraterrestrial? ;p

It's just a "wooden dove". A type of toys introduced by Archytas (you know... the "father of mechanics", Plato's friend, etc.) in the 5th century BC. It was hailed as a scientific miracle at that time.
Some support that ancient texts refer to a bigger model that actually flew almost 200m. Impressive, but I doubt archaeologists will ever find a proof with the rate that wood is decomposed in Europe. Yet Egypt did it's miracle and the evidence found there is undisputed.
The similarity is evident. Pigeon-like, wooden, dated (C-14) 200BC, during Ptolemaic times, in tombs of children.
So, we are sure that at least as a "toy" the "wooden dove" really existed.