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Post by Human on Dec 21, 2004 7:56:05 GMT -5
I guess the purest caucasoid country in Europe is
Ireland. Because of its remote location.
An island too far away from mongoloids and negroids.
All the rest seem to have touched, in different degrees,
by non caucasoid people.
Scandinavia has got people with obvious non European
ancestry: the Lapps. The Finnish speak a non European
language.
The Russians were under the Mongols. So did the
Southern Slavs under the Ottomans, as well as the
Greeks. The Iberia Peninsula was invaded by
North African People who kept there for centuries...
not to mention the geographical proximity to Africa...
It is a joke to thinks that theres never ever have
been gene flow considering the position of the
mediterranean countries... they surely do have
non caucasoid blood (again, thats no reason
to be in any ways offended: in another thread
I posted my opininion that exactly two European
mediteranean countries, Greece and Italy, gave
the greatest legacy of Europe to mankind).
So do the Germans and the French, and many other
Central European who have had contacts with mongoloids.
Further, and maybe more important, all these countries
have quite significant numbers of non caucasoid
who will (want it or not) be absorbed into the population...
maybe a million or more negroes blood will be running
in the common French people veins in the years to come...
if the Portuguese and the Spanish dont do nothing...
most likely the same thing will happen...
I guess, in brief, Ireland is true and last bastion
of the Caucasoid European strain of mankind.
The Eastern Europeans countries dont have nowadays
any larger influx of non white people... but they did
have in the past influences still very much visible, thats
why I dont say they are the purest caucasoid country
in Europe.
Any comments?
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Post by Human on Dec 21, 2004 7:59:17 GMT -5
in this near future the Dutch and the English (especially)
will be largely hybrids... heavily mixed
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Post by Vitor on Dec 21, 2004 8:48:52 GMT -5
this might be possible...but If we look into brazil, I guess racism will prevent that. Even by political correctiveness, some might think like that, most english and dutch will not go outside their's race. The phenotype will be saved at least... In brazil most non recent white are not entirelly white some even might have 50% of non white genes, but they look entirelly white.  It's strange but the phenotype is saved! the hybrids that look white will mix with the natives. they will look white! After 500 years there are still whites in brazil, racism? you bet, I guess most europeans are RACISTS, more than 95%, even if some because of PC says otherwise. So 10-20% of foreign blood will not mix! not even in 500 years!  Hey look at USA! |
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Post by Vitor on Dec 21, 2004 9:13:30 GMT -5
there are some north african (neolitic) blood in Iberia. 15% more or less in the Y-chromossome. (maybe in the X...don't know) (this I believe was not mostly due to the mulsim "invasions") There are more influx from Iberia to Northern africa... there are small pockets of european haplotypes in northern africa, this were the ones that flee from Iberia...(after the reconquista) hey muslims that are genetically europeans? interesting ... Another interesting stuff is that this haplotype (identical to the common one in northern african) is more recorrent in southern slavic countries than in Iberia, even the DUTCH have a LOT of this haplotypes (5-10%). this is old stuff, the Irish that you say are so "pure". have some of the Highest neolithic X-mitochondria genes in europe! Interesting isn't it? Well this is due to the agricultural invasions...long before historical times! (neolithic invasions) I believe the celtic culture have something to do with this neolithic invasion. What happen then doesn't happen today, this neolithic people had significant better culture than the natives, they imposed themselfs (like the whites did in south america). the PC driven politicians are making BAD decisions, this will make europe a conflict area in the future. happen in Kosovo will happen in several other places. make no question about that! the human being is fundamentally racist, call it preservation of genes or something, it's fundamentally embedded in our human mind. PC or publicity will not make it better! it's NOT POSSIBLE, It's not a cultural issue! |
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Post by Vitor on Dec 21, 2004 9:18:15 GMT -5
Maybe the ones who do not speak an european language are the majority of the europeans!
the indo-european group language might had come with the neolithic invasions.
the basques might be the only ones speaking a true european language!
think about that!
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Post by Human on Dec 21, 2004 9:57:25 GMT -5
thanks for your good posts.
My question relates to the geographical positions
of the European countries and to the coming
future.
Ireland is a remote corner of Europe. An island
far away from non caucasoid. Ireland was not
a Colonial Empire, and so does not have a large
non white population like France, England and Holland.
The Northern and Eastern European countries, although
maybe the blondest, are very mixed with a strong
mongoloid strain running in their veins...
The Finnish language, for instance, is an alive witness
of a mongoloid invasion which took place thousands
of years ago...
So, my guess was that taking into account the geographical aspect, the Irish are the purest.
That coincides with their general appearance and
with their genetics too.
Brasil and the US are heavily mixed. Brazi a thousand
times than the US.
Yes, in the forthcoming wide spread mix in Europe,
maybe appearance shall be preserved. But the genetics
I am afraid not.
That is a dramatic change. Asia will remain relatively
the same. and so will Africa.
After Europeans changed the globe, changing the
very human nature of the Americas, it looks like
it is their turn to be changed. That is inevitable...
I would say it would be avoidable only for instance
the modern man mind would allow the countries
to have again institutions like the Inquisiton, to stop
non Western cultural values spreading in Europe, and
overall racial mixing (like it did in Portugal).
In brief: if one wants to see caucasoids with no non
caucasoid history whatsoever, then one should
go to Ireland.
Any comments?
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Post by It-Alien on Dec 21, 2004 10:00:40 GMT -5
But Ireland was attacked by Vikings  |
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Post by Vitor on Dec 21, 2004 10:26:40 GMT -5
The irish king defeated thew vickings! but...there are already a very noticeble non europeans populaion in ireland! there are lots of non white portuguese (like form east timor or cape verdian portuguese colonies), already in ireland. It's better there than in portugal. the only way to stay geneticaly pure is being poor!  or not... there are 500 000 people from eastern europe living in portugal! but I guess it's the old R1a haplotype cousins! |
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Post by Springa on Dec 21, 2004 11:38:36 GMT -5
Well, if we count Iceland, then that's the purest caucasian country, phenotipically and genetically. But it's population is even smaller than Ireland, which is already pretty small.
Icelandic people are ancient scandinavians and celts, and despite the Scandinavian character, they have zero mongoloid genes. They also show a smaller rate of blondism than Scandinavians... does anyone remember that threat saying that blondism comes from Mongoloids? While I personally don't believe that, the notion that blondism is the epitome of whiteness (or caucasianness) is nothing but bovine excrement.
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Post by SwordandCompass on Dec 21, 2004 12:27:19 GMT -5
bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/01_3now/010316b.htmlThe study indicated that 60% of Iceland's original female settlers were Gaelic. Unexpectedly, it turned out that Viking women were the ancestors of some modern British Islanders, such as those of Orkney (35% Scandinavian mtDNA), the Western Isles (12%), and the Isle of Skye (12%), the researchers report in the March edition of the American Journal of Human Genetics.
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Post by SwordandCompass on Dec 21, 2004 12:32:55 GMT -5
If anyone has any more info on this please post it: This haplotype is, considering the pattern of matches, doubtless Norse Viking. The DNA evidence supports the family tradition. The haplogroup is very rare, and not found (to date) anywhere but the above mentioned locations (not Mainland Scotland). While there is little doubt that at the time of the Viking occupation of Shetland circa 800AD the HAY ancestor was residing in Norway, the ancient origins are not European. Haplogroup Q is only found among Central and East Asians as well as Native Americans. A Central Asian origin seems most likely, especially considering that in one classic study of Icelandic Y chromosomes, 7% were Q. There has never been any suggestion of any Greenland Inuit presence in Iceland, but the Edda sagas give Asia as the ancestral homeland of a substantial contingent of the Norse in pre - Viking times. . www.davidkfaux.org/shetlandislandsYdataH1.html |
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Post by Springa on Dec 21, 2004 15:23:43 GMT -5
It's funny that because of Bjork, many people (at least here in Brazil) seem to think that Icelanders are some kind of vinking/eskimo hybrid, while they're actually less mixed than the other scandinavians. If anyone has any more info on this please post it: This haplotype is, considering the pattern of matches, doubtless Norse Viking. The DNA evidence supports the family tradition. The haplogroup is very rare, and not found (to date) anywhere but the above mentioned locations (not Mainland Scotland). While there is little doubt that at the time of the Viking occupation of Shetland circa 800AD the HAY ancestor was residing in Norway, the ancient origins are not European. Haplogroup Q is only found among Central and East Asians as well as Native Americans. A Central Asian origin seems most likely, especially considering that in one classic study of Icelandic Y chromosomes, 7% were Q. There has never been any suggestion of any Greenland Inuit presence in Iceland, but the Edda sagas give Asia as the ancestral homeland of a substantial contingent of the Norse in pre - Viking times. . www.davidkfaux.org/shetlandislandsYdataH1.html |
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Post by Human on Dec 21, 2004 15:58:12 GMT -5
the people from Iceland may be less mixed
than Scandinavians...
but it still to close to Greenland (which
did have an inuit population). It was settled
by Scandinavians who have a significante mixed
populations among them (Lapps), and they may
also carry that above mentioned oriental haplogroup
(haplogroup Q), which
is present in the Hay family of the Shetlands,
a group of islands which was also colonized
by the Vikings before its control was
transferred to Scotland. Although Iceland is relatively
pure
it is not free from non caucasoid influence, in my opinion.
Anyway, Iceland could almost compare to Ireland.
Ireland being the most caucasoid because of its remote
location. The Vikings never really established kingdoms
and colonizations... the did an overall plundering (as
it was their habit), but nothing really beyond that...
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Post by mynameischica on Dec 22, 2004 0:58:48 GMT -5
sweden.
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Post by nordicyouth on Dec 22, 2004 4:01:12 GMT -5
POLAND! VIVA POLONIA! Poland (at least in 1997) was the most ethnically pure country in Europe. Part of this was derived from it's Second World status and its fierce patriotism. Ukranian and Byelorussian lands were taken by the USSR and Poland received its old Polish lands in Germany due to Stalin's territory switch-up post-WWII. Another country would be Estonia.
Ireland the purest? Not since the Brits used Blacks and Indians to quell Irish uprisings and to plain annoy them. Plus it has been targeted heavily for African immigrants recently. And its population cannot handle such migrations while Poland's (relatively) untouched population of 40 millions can.
Hell, Poland won't even give Germany the time of day. Finally having their long-sought national sovereignty, they would agree to admixture? No way.
Ireland.... what a laugh. Analyzing population movement requires more than just an atlas and cursory knowledge of history and linguistics. Cheers.
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