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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 16:49:59 GMT -5
Duke, Bush got caught illegally spying on Americans--and not Americans with terrorist ties. He was spying on the Quakers, Greenpeace, journalists. Basically it was like Nixon's "enemies list," where the current president was using the "war on terror" as a cover for spying on his personal enemies. Then--right when he's busted--Bin Laden conveniently speaks after a year and a half of silence . . . giving Bush JUST the rationalization he needed to keep breaking the law and infringing upon the liberties of innocent Americans. Just like when Bin Laden released a tape three days before the 2004 election--which gave Bush a last-minute bounce in the polls. How come nobody's noticing this stuff? How friggin' staged it all looks. Every time Bush is in trouble, Bin Laden pops up on cue to give Bush a helping hand. It's a pathetically transparent "good-cop/bad-cop" act used to manipulate the country--and the world. You should live in fear of Bush being impeached over the illegal wiretapping. He'll never let that happen. Another "Al-Qaeda" attack will be staged to get him off the hook and thousands will be murdered to advance this farce. * Funny how Bin Laden--or the alleged Bin Laden--is quoting New York Times articles and plugging books by American authors. I had no idea that the New York Times delivered newspapers to caves in Pakistan. Bush would have us believe that they do. Even Tucker Carlson observed that it's odd how Bin Laden seems to be using Democrat talking points. Fascinating--Bin Laden's decision to take the position of Mr. Bush's enemies in a pale attempt to discredit anyone who questions our glorious leader. Does anyone else find this stuff cartoonish as hell?How come nobody's noticing this stuff? They don't want to. A lot of things seem a little too "hollywood" and "cartoonish". eg. Zarquai had his leg blown off in Afghanistan, yet in any of the beheading videos does the knifeman, whom CIA "experts" confirmed as Zarguai have any visible limp whatsoever? NOPE. I guess he grew it back.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 25, 2006 16:51:57 GMT -5
Anodyne, Man! You're way too intelligent to fall for this embarrassing realpolitik. Read up on Operation Northwoods, when--in 1962--the Joint Chiefs of Staff suggested to Kennedy murdering innocent Americans in staged terrorist attacks to implicate Cuba. They wanted so badly to invade, but Castro gave them no pretext, so they decided to make one.
The pitch the Military made to Kennedy was recorded and made available due to the Freedom of Information Act. I read up on it from ABC News--no "fringe" source.
So, yes: Governments really do stage terror to advance agendas that they know the public won't go along with.
We like to mention Hitler and the Reichstag fire, but then a sort of mental haze descends upon us--and we think, "No, our leaders would never do that. It's just every other country---"
And then you read up on Operation Northwoods, and you know that the most powerful nation in the world didn't get that way through fair play and moral rectitude. If a person really believes that, he's less than a child--he's an outright imbecile.
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Post by asdf on Jan 25, 2006 17:02:01 GMT -5
Duke, Bush got caught illegally spying on Americans--and not Americans with terrorist ties. He was spying on the Quakers, Greenpeace, journalists. Basically it was like Nixon's "enemies list," where the current president was using the "war on terror" as a cover for spying on his personal enemies. Then--right when he's busted--Bin Laden conveniently speaks after a year and a half of silence . . . giving Bush JUST the rationalization he needed to keep breaking the law and infringing upon the liberties of innocent Americans. Just like when Bin Laden released a tape three days before the 2004 election--which gave Bush a last-minute bounce in the polls. How come nobody's noticing this stuff? How friggin' staged it all looks. Every time Bush is in trouble, Bin Laden pops up on cue to give Bush a helping hand. It's a pathetically transparent "good-cop/bad-cop" act used to manipulate the country--and the world. You should live in fear of Bush being impeached over the illegal wiretapping. He'll never let that happen. Another "Al-Qaeda" attack will be staged to get him off the hook and thousands will be murdered to advance this farce. * Funny how Bin Laden--or the alleged Bin Laden--is quoting New York Times articles and plugging books by American authors. I had no idea that the New York Times delivered newspapers to caves in Pakistan. Bush would have us believe that they do. Even Tucker Carlson observed that it's odd how Bin Laden seems to be using Democrat talking points. Fascinating--Bin Laden's decision to take the position of Mr. Bush's enemies in a pale attempt to discredit anyone who questions our glorious leader. Does anyone else find this stuff cartoonish as hell? --Talk about an "actor" phoning in a roll. Bin Laden is becoming like the unseen "Charlie" from "Charlie's Angels," his whole existence being a voice from an intercom system.Well, it's not just that. I mean, remember that terror alert based on years old intelligence? Or pretty much anything from the color system. They don't have to fake it exactly half the time. They just use pretty much anything as an excuse to make a distraction. It's not really that undiscussed. I think I've seen on what was Aaron Brown or something a list compiled of a couple of dozen or so "coincidences" between administration scandals and terror alerts over the past few years. But, hey - that fast food drive-thu voice might be Bin Laden.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 17:20:13 GMT -5
Monitored? yes. But I haven't heard of anyone being arrested for what they say or think by the state as of yet. Well, I do know of an incident where a woman had her purse stolen and her husband caught the guy. He used a derogatory racial slur when he took the guy down. He spent at least a day (may have been a few) in county jail. A person has a right to be an ass. I don't see how the state has to flex its muscles at a person who makes a speech unless its to direct people to commit violent acts. quote] In America. Governments chose to do acts based upon the consent of the governed. Any party can stand and defeat the current party in power in the UK. Period. The issue of Free Speech can stand before The People at any moment. We'd have to cross a garden of censorships way before we'd get to the UK. "Most American fascists are enthusiastically supporting the war effort. They are doing this even in those cases where they hope to have profitable connections with German chemical firms after the war ends."Henry A. Wallace As if we didn't know about Grandpa Bush. And Civil War profiteers. Ugly money is nothing new.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 17:24:37 GMT -5
Anodyne, Man! You're way too intelligent to fall for this embarrassing realpolitik. Read up on Operation Northwoods, when--in 1962--the Joint Chiefs of Staff suggested to Kennedy murdering innocent Americans in staged terrorist attacks to implicate Cuba. They wanted so badly to invade, but Castro gave them no pretext, so they decided to make one. The pitch the Military made to Kennedy was recorded and made available due to the Freedom of Information Act. I read up on it from ABC News--no "fringe" source. So, yes: Governments really do stage terror to advance agendas that they know the public won't go along with. We like to mention Hitler and the Reichstag fire, but then a sort of mental haze descends upon us--and we think, "No, our leaders would never do that. It's just every other country---" And then you read up on Operation Northwoods, and you know that the most powerful nation in the world didn't get that way through fair play and moral rectitude. If a person really believes that, he's less than a child--he's an outright imbecile. History is now repeating itself in Iraq. www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/mossad/lavon_affair.htm
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Post by anodyne on Jan 25, 2006 17:24:54 GMT -5
I'm aware of Operation Northwoods. It was very shocking that anyone would propose such things but it does happen. I just don't see convincing evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. I see a lot of claims but they don't hold up. What I do see is incompetence on every level, which isn't surprising at all when we're talking about the US federal government. Even people I know who are feds tell me how incompetent other feds are. Bringing up Operation Norwood isn't evidence of a US government conspiracy with regards to 9/11. It's a sign of what governments can possibly do to its citizens and neighbors but it isn't evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.
I don't have very much faith in elected leaders but I don't take the position that everything that comes out of their mouth is an out right lie. Many times what they say is partially true to fit their angle on an issue. Either way I don't like to make a judgement until I know all the variables, which isn't always possible, but its better than having a knee jerk reaction.
We became the most powerful nation in the world because of the opportunities we provide to those with ability. The underhanded government stuff comes as a consequence of human nature when not put in check. It's why I prefer limited government. I trust people to be moral and good but when you add power without restraint then your biggest saint becomes your biggest demon. Anyway, I look for sound evidence for a particular accusation. Not examples of past crimes where the players are now all 6 feet under.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 17:28:05 GMT -5
Anodyne, Man! You're way too intelligent to fall for this embarrassing realpolitik. Read up on Operation Northwoods, when--in 1962--the Joint Chiefs of Staff suggested to Kennedy murdering innocent Americans in staged terrorist attacks to implicate Cuba. They wanted so badly to invade, but Castro gave them no pretext, so they decided to make one. The pitch the Military made to Kennedy was recorded and made available due to the Freedom of Information Act. I read up on it from ABC News--no "fringe" source. So, yes: Governments really do stage terror to advance agendas that they know the public won't go along with. We like to mention Hitler and the Reichstag fire, but then a sort of mental haze descends upon us--and we think, "No, our leaders would never do that. It's just every other country---" And then you read up on Operation Northwoods, and you know that the most powerful nation in the world didn't get that way through fair play and moral rectitude. If a person really believes that, he's less than a child--he's an outright imbecile. Name the civilization that didn't claim it's name over the death of innocents. I think it's far worse than you portray it.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 18:41:54 GMT -5
Anodyne, Man! You're way too intelligent to fall for this embarrassing realpolitik. Read up on Operation Northwoods, when--in 1962--the Joint Chiefs of Staff suggested to Kennedy murdering innocent Americans in staged terrorist attacks to implicate Cuba. They wanted so badly to invade, but Castro gave them no pretext, so they decided to make one. The pitch the Military made to Kennedy was recorded and made available due to the Freedom of Information Act. I read up on it from ABC News--no "fringe" source. So, yes: Governments really do stage terror to advance agendas that they know the public won't go along with. We like to mention Hitler and the Reichstag fire, but then a sort of mental haze descends upon us--and we think, "No, our leaders would never do that. It's just every other country---" And then you read up on Operation Northwoods, and you know that the most powerful nation in the world didn't get that way through fair play and moral rectitude. If a person really believes that, he's less than a child--he's an outright imbecile. History is now repeating itself in Iraq. www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/mossad/lavon_affair.htmShould I go "woah" now? A Jew in every pot, and two Jews in every garage.
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Post by eastanglian on Jan 25, 2006 18:58:41 GMT -5
There never has been a concept of free speech in Britain, no such thing. We don't have a written constitution like America which upholds free speech.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 19:02:32 GMT -5
There never has been a concept of free speech in Britain, no such thing. We don't have a written constitution like America which upholds free speech. No you don't. "You might very well say that. I couldn't possibly comment."
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Post by anodyne on Jan 25, 2006 19:54:58 GMT -5
The majority may vote representatives who want to curb freedom of speech but the Bill Rights is there to curb the majority, and their representatives, from stomping on the minority. Protecting a dissenting minority from the majority was pretty big with the anti- federalists. To not allow citizens to speak their mind is unAmerican. That's right.. I said it.
The majority has no right to take away my individual rights from me. They can reason with me but they have no right to jail me for speaking my mind. That's just tyranny. If the government can seal people's lips for making comments they dislike then what would stop a government from shutting down the opposing party and their followers? a slippery road.
What does this have to do with my natural right to speak my mind?
I didn't see your post earlier. I blame Dukeofpain for his long post.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 20:16:16 GMT -5
The majority may vote representatives who want to curb freedom of speech but the Bill Rights is there to curb the majority, and their representatives, from stomping on the minority. Protecting a dissenting minority from the majority was pretty big with the anti- federalists. To think otherwise is rather unAmerican. That's right.. I said. The majority has no right to take away my individual rights from me. They can reason with me but they have no right to jail me for speaking my mind. That's just tyranny. If the government can seal people's lips for making comments they dislike then what would stop a government from shutting down the opposing party and their followers? a slippery road. What does this have to do with my natural right to speak my mind? I didn't see your post earlier. I blame Dukeofpain for his long post. Nothing A The Bill of Rights is a superior development. It's demise is what I fear the most. I was speaking to the idea of claiming a right to free speech where one is not enumerated. It is unAmerican to deny you, me and any other American the right to free speech, assembly and association. I would give my own life in this cause, I mean it, I really do. The simple ability to type and send this message right...now...wait. There's someone...Yes?..........What do you mean go off li.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 21:31:38 GMT -5
Should I go "woah" now? A Jew in every pot, and two Jews in every garage. No, this is a verifiable act of terrorism that the Israeli govt committed to act as a "false flag", to fullfill their agenda, regardless of the immoral implications. No doubt the US, or atleast zionists in the US, are capable of the same thing.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 21:47:15 GMT -5
Should I go "woah" now? A Jew in every pot, and two Jews in every garage. No, this is a verifiable act of terrorism that the Israeli govt committed to act as a "false flag", to fullfill their agenda, regardless of the immoral implications. No doubt the US, or atleast zionists in the US, are capable of the same thing. Oohhhhkay.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jan 26, 2006 7:39:41 GMT -5
Annienormanna, Actually, he's right.
P.S.--Governments can only get away with false flag operations so long as people like us fall for it. I remember as a kid when the US bombed Libya as an alleged response to a bombing of a discoteque in Germany which killed several marines. It was later disclosed that Israel set off the bomb to frame the Libyans and to get America to attack their enemy. Read up on it from a former Mossad member Victor Ostrovsky, in his eye-opening book "By Way of Deception".
* "By Way of Deception" is the Mossad logo, written in Hebrew over the insignia. In full it reads, "By way of deception, we will triumph".
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