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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 31, 2005 0:52:12 GMT -5
wouldnt surprise me if its the world largest mexican population in the world, but let me mention something i have no problem with mexican americans alot in Cali and Texas have been here as long as anyone and are just as american. the problem is illegals who use america as a mine that is they work here and when its tapped out they leave and send their money, the problem is that even tho they dont stay for every one that leaves two come in
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 31, 2005 0:54:28 GMT -5
No Yigal Los Angeles is still number 2 right behind Mexico City.
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 31, 2005 0:56:44 GMT -5
No Yigal Los Angeles is still number 2 right behind Mexico City. i know, i said it wouldnt surpise me if it wasnt geez does the grease in your woppy ears clog your reading too?
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Post by wadad on Dec 31, 2005 0:58:36 GMT -5
No Yigal Los Angeles is still number 2 right behind Mexico City. i know, i said it wouldnt surpise me if it wasnt geez does the grease in your woppy ears clog your reading too? oh man, ROFLMAO
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 31, 2005 0:59:31 GMT -5
Anyways I would say Blood In Blood Out gives an accurate description of life in the barrios of the City Of Angels.
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Post by wadad on Dec 31, 2005 1:00:50 GMT -5
Anyways I would say Blood In Blood Out gives an accurate description of life in the barrios of the City Of Angels. What does that mean?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 31, 2005 1:01:17 GMT -5
Yigal what do you have against us Wops you cocaine snorting banana boat Spic. ;D
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 31, 2005 1:04:42 GMT -5
hey we dont snort the stuff lol we sell it to you guys in bulk and you guys sell it to the moolies who sell it (and take the unprocessed shit forthemselves) to the honkeys who snort it, get it right you wop
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 31, 2005 1:43:25 GMT -5
You country is like your house, you won't let any stranger in, especially, if he's not invited.Immigration is not a right, but a privilege, but apparently some people are not aware of that.As for the illegal immigrants' babies born in United states or any country having birthright citizenship , my common sense says to me, they shoudn't have the citizenship of the country their parents violated the law by sneaking in illegally, but my humanitarian side, tells me, the child isn't guilty of what their parents did. So the wisest thing to do in this case, for me, is to avoid the extremes. If the son of the illegal immigrants, was born on the american soil, has lived all his life (At least, all his childhood) in U.S, went to american schools, has english as his first language, and most of all, knows nothing about the country of his parents, then it would be immoral to punish him for something he didn't do. After all, no one asks to be born. But if the child is too young (<5 years) to have any ties to the american culture and way of life, then deport him with his parents, is comprehensible and recommended. Everyone is sovereign in his own land, so if the majority of americans sees more inconveniences in illegal immigration than advantages, then stopping the invasion of the borders by any means, is the right of the people.
PS: What drooperdoo said about France is wrong. Being born in france doesn't give you the french nationality. The son of a foreigner having a legal residence permit, has no right to be naturalized, until the age of 13. From this age, he can make a demand to be naturalized, but only if he proves that he has lived legally, during the 5 last years in France. So the sons of illegal immigrants, obviously have no right to obtain the french nationality.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 31, 2005 2:03:11 GMT -5
So the Americans here, do you actually believe a bar on birthright citizenship wouldn't slow illegal immigration. It would just make a bunch of brown babies illegal immigrants. I thought you guys were against increasing the number of illegal immigrants. Y'all need a quick logic fix. You think Maria and Jose are going to stop screwing because their baby won't be a U.S. citizen? Or do you think Maria's going to drag her pregnant ass back over the border to have the baby because of such an Amendment? I think Jose and Maria should respect our laws and not hop the border. There is work in southern Mexico for farm hands. Central Americans have been immigrating illegally to southern Mexico for the past ten years to work those lands. The Mexican federal troops have been placed on the border to stop this wave of central American immigrants and there have been atrocities documented. So it's kind of hypocritical for Vincente Fox, or anyone else, to look poorly at any American who wants to shut the border considering what the Mexican government has been doing on their southern border. I don't mind limited immigration and guest worker programs but what's currently happening on our southern border is a crime. Mexico being the destination of citizens of poorer countries, doesn't mean, there is work available for mexicans. Most of those immigrants in Mexico, work there just to gather enough money to go to United states. Subsaharian africans also go to maghrebian countries to work, panhandle, prostitute themselves. But it doesn't mean there is plenty work in those countries, they just go there to gather enough money to pay the Mafia that will help them to sneak into Spain or Italy. Those same countries, are generally, just a passage, before getting to to the final destination, normally, France, UK, and germany.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 31, 2005 2:08:40 GMT -5
Who told you that? Most turks in Gemany have the german citizenship. the only thing that is different from united states and most western countries, is that in germany, it's not allowed to hold dual nationality.
I totally agree with you, being born in a country doesn't mean, you have enough allegiance to that country. You have to prove it.
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 31, 2005 2:17:09 GMT -5
Who told you that? Most turks in Gemany have the german citizenship. the only thing that is different from united states and most western countries, is that in germany, it's not allowed to hrold double nationality. I totally agree with you, being born in a country doesn't mean, you have enough allegiance to that country. You have to prove it. actually in america you are not supoused to hold dual citezenship altho their are exceptions,what i mean that altho leagally u may hold dual citezenship without penalty, when u become a citezen u renounce your old citezenship
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Post by anodyne on Dec 31, 2005 2:20:50 GMT -5
That's not true in my country. The airways have always been in private hands. At least in my country. PBS and NPR are the exceptions and whether you agree with what's being broadcasted or not American tax dollars go to keep both running. That's the difference between the private and the public. You can choose to watch Fox news or not but either way you're not subsidizing Fox. They can be broadcasting beliefs you detest but since they are able to survive competition with CNN, MSNBC, etc. then obviously many people support those beliefs. PBS on the other hand survives on state welfare. Even then they beg for donations. Most just people don't watch PBS.
The other part of that quote: "Just like wal-mart and big business in general." is bothersome. A business rises and falls based on what the people want and not what the businessman wants. He provides a need. He doesn't force anything on the public. Walmart is successful because of its low prices. It provides a need for people with low incomes.
So your real beef is with the customers for not acting the way you would prefer them to act. If you don't like how a business goes about things then you boycott. Create a website and get things rolling. Attempt to convince people but I don't think you'll be successful because it's not what the majoriy want.
Good. Unions causes unemployment. It keeps the young and unskilled out, which, obviously, is bad.
There is no exploitation if there is choice. I don't see how presenting people with the choice of either shopping at walmart or a store run by a local business makes people feel helpless. If you could only shop at one store for your needs then you'd be helpless.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 31, 2005 2:29:37 GMT -5
I said they get work as farm hands so hence there's work.
That ignores the fact that Central American communities have popped up in southern Mexico.
Well, that's terrible but that's not the case for these central Americans. There is a need for farm workers and they provide that need. If there was work in the maghrebian countries many, not all, would stick around.
There are families who immigrated to southern Mexico years ago. They have set roots. If they wanted to come to the states they would have done so by now.
We do have central Americans immigrating to the US but that doesn't negate that many settle in southern Mexico. Mexico is poor but it's not a third world country.
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Post by wadad on Dec 31, 2005 2:29:42 GMT -5
So DeLacroix going back to your point about your humanitarianism, you said that if a child born to illegals is under 5 or so, then you'd have no problems deporting it along with the parents...
However you believe that once the child has "lived all his life (At least, all his childhood) in U.S, went to american schools, has english as his first language, and most of all, knows nothing about the country of his parents, then it would be immoral to punish him for something he didn't do."
So IM assuming that you also would not want the parents of that child (whospent his whole life in America) seperated from him because of deportation would you? That is an even crueler punishment than deporting him along with his parents.
So in the end we agree, its unfair to deport a child that is born and raised in the US...I hope you also agree its even more unfair to just deport that child's parents and turn him into an orphan, right?
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