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Post by rusalka on Mar 22, 2004 22:35:45 GMT -5
I live in Holland..France I have visited by car..Been from the North to the French Riviera...and trust me..no way you look French...That's kind of like a joke to me..And I do think you're making a fool out of yourself claiming you're French genetically..hell no..you're obsessed obviously Read my post, moron. Never have I claimed that I am "French" genetically or ethnically. However, my maternal DNA links directly to the Dordogne region in bloody France. As the mitochondrial DNA of haplogroup H dates back 20.000 years, that, of course DOES NOT mean "French". There were no French people around by that time. We're talking about early human settlements. We're talking about primitive societies. I AM TALKING ABOUT GEOGRAPHY and NOT ethnicity. Mitochondrial DNA tests are absolute, they trace your genetic heritage back to one of the clans of the world. There are 7 established clans in Europe, and haplogroup H, or more popularly called "Clan Helena" is the largest, around 41% of European population belongs to it on their maternal side. Speaking of genetics, a great majority of Turkish people are said to belong to groups J and J2, which are considered to be originated in the Middle East. "Trust me no way you look French". d'oh? Read this post over and over and over again HINDI. Actually, why don't you get a printout and paste it on your bathroom door, so that it gets into your thick head while you're taking a shit. Honestly, I cannot see how a person does not know shit about genetics and claim to be interested in anthropology. From Professor Sykes' organization's website, for you viewing, and hopefully learning pleasure: "The clan of Helena (Greek for light) is by far the largest and most successful of the seven native clans with 41% of Europeans belonging to one of its many branches. It began 20,000 years ago with the birth of Helena somewhere in the valleys of the Dordogne and the Vezere, in south-central France. The clan is widespread throughout all parts of Europe, but reaches its highest frequency among the Basque people of northern Spain and southern France."
As for visiting France, I lived 40 minutes away from France in Geneve, Switzerland, where they speak French and eat French food and are, basically, "French". Yeah, you have noticed that, you must be sharp. Does being born in (or having moved to) Holland make you Dutch? Should having been born in Turkey make me Turkish? Are New York born Anglo-Saxon Americans Iroquois? Do Indians change their ethnicity when they move to the UK and become Saxons? I can't believe you're an actual person. What a waste of time.
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 22, 2004 22:43:49 GMT -5
...and trust me..no way you look French... I've been to France and visited a great deal of the Riviera, La-Rochelle (western France), Paris, the Alsace-Lorraine and a few other areas. I got to see what most French look like, and if the average inhabitant looks different depending on the region. The answer is "yes" and "no". The average Frenchman is an Alpine with variable amounts of Iberian (southern France) and Nordic/UP ancestry (Alsace-Lorraine). Other than in Paris, those were the two regions where I spent most of my time during my stay in France, so I can safely say that in the East the French look like Germans, and in the South they could easily pass for Spaniards. In this aspect, Rusalka is absolutely correct. On the other hand, most of these different looking French have something that allows us to single them out as French. Maybe it is cultural (Dienekes explored this topic in an excellent fashion in his blog about one year ago), maybe it is ethnic, who knows? Now, from what I remember of Rusalka's picture gallery, she doesn't look particularly French, but she doesn't look "Turkish" either. She looks very Eastern European, at least IMO.
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Post by AWAR on Mar 22, 2004 22:48:24 GMT -5
She looks very European. Hindi is just being negative towards her for negativity sake. I can imagine her phenotype be found among beautiful women of almost any European country west to east, north to south.
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Post by rusalka on Mar 22, 2004 23:13:55 GMT -5
She looks very European. Hindi is just being negative towards her for negativity sake. I can imagine her phenotype be found among beautiful women of almost any European country west to east, north to south. Well first off, thank you. And secondly, I never even said I look French or that I am French. This question was about which part of Europe we are from, originally. I know for a FACT that my first female ancestor is from the area of Dordogne, hence the "genetically" comment. That's actually much more than knowing my grandmother came from Yugoslavia, because her family could have moved to Yugoslavia two generations back and we would have never known. mtDNA is a scientific origin tracker, there's no doubt that I am linked to this woman who is today named as "Helena". Well I'm sorry but I can't help it if I'm not fitting some people's idea of Dordogne's Ice Age phenotype(!) as that's exactly what Helena was: "Helena: This clan lived in the ice-capped Pyrenees. As the climate warmed, Helena’s descendants trekked northward to what is now England, some 12,000 years ago. Members of this group are now present in all European countries." Back to the looking this-looking that part: Our looks are also greatly influenced by culture, which gives us our familiar mannerism, expressions, gestures etc. If I were born and raised in France I for a fact do not doubt that I would not pass as "French". I may have not been a typical French, but people wouldn't look twice when they saw me walking down the street wondering where the hell I'm from. Same goes for Italy, Spain, Greece, all Eastern European countries and some parts of Russia and even the UK. I could not pass as a native Scandinavian or a native Dutch as well as a native Uzbek or Indian. There are limits to what one could "pass as", but for regions who have great variations, such as Southern, Central and Eastern Europe; anyone who has the average look of the regions would pass as a native, PROVIDED they have the certain cultural mannerism.
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Post by Graeme on Mar 23, 2004 8:32:38 GMT -5
I am from W/SW Europe, that's where I was born and also my forebears. I feel comfortable everywhere in Europe and do not feel self conscious about my appearance even when in Finnish Lappland watching raindeer racing (that's an odd sport). Oddly enough it is the Lapps who look out of place in their traditional drag in the 21st century. The countries I feel very uncomfortable in are the non European ones - you can't blend in there.
France is a country where just about any European can blend in. There is no French look. I don't know what rusalka looks like, but I am sure that she would look "French" to most French people. I find France a difficult place as everyone speaks to me in French, a language I don't understand. And women were always asking me to help them (I understand body language), and I couldn't say no, I couldn't say anything in French. So I ended up helping them. In my homeland everyone speaks to me in English because they think I am a foreigner. Odd that. Personally I think I look Italian and I don't know what my mtDNA or Y chromosome will tell me about my eve or adam. I don't really care.
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Post by HINDI on Mar 23, 2004 10:01:12 GMT -5
I don't know I personally think Rusalka looks rather Iranian then European, The closest to Europe she would get from me is Albania or Cyprus...I'm sorry I'm just being honest ok.
Hey but you don't need to get upset like that when I'm just giving my opinion on here, It's just the net remember. I mean sometimes you call me a 'cookie' and now you call me a moron.That's a bit 2-faced. I already told you I really think you're just Turkish looking. So? It's not an offense or anything like that..relax
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Post by AWAR on Mar 23, 2004 12:33:44 GMT -5
I don't know I personally think Rusalka looks rather Iranian then European, The closest to Europe she would get from me is Albania or Cyprus...I'm sorry I'm just being honest ok. Hey but you don't need to get upset like that when I'm just giving my opinion on here, It's just the net remember. I mean sometimes you call me a 'cookie' and now you call me a moron.That's a bit 2-faced. I already told you I really think you're just Turkish looking. So? It's not an offense or anything like that..relax Nope, you're not being honest, you're attempting ( rather lame ) to insult her by stating the contrary from what is obvious ( to us who have seen her pictures ). She was born in Turkey, but isn't Turkish, just like you live in Holland, but you ain't Dutch. She'd be out of place in far southern areas and you know it, since she looks much more central European than southern.
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Post by Sciath on Mar 23, 2004 12:53:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry to disappoint you but anyone who looks European would fit in France as France does not have a leading phenotype, being such a large country with lands all over Southern, Western and almost Northern Europe. I have my bloody DNA test to tell me what I am and I don't need your "specialist's view". . You're right ! Being a French myself, I'd say that in my own family you could find nearly all the European phenotypes. France being a land of migrations, without talking about extra european admixture, we received in the last 100 years millions of Italian, Spanish, Russian, Poles, Portuguese,.... In East Southern France nearly 3/4 of population has a foreign name (mostly Italian and Spanish).
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Post by HINDI on Mar 23, 2004 17:57:58 GMT -5
I was born in the Punjab, India. If I were born in Holland I would at least mention it in this thread..it's about what region in the world are you from, so in that case I would be from Holland with Punjabi roots etc. I wouldn't be ashamed of my birthplace wherever I would be born..that's all AWAR.... She doesn't have to shout to me like that though
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Post by AWAR on Mar 23, 2004 18:04:28 GMT -5
I was born in the Punjab, India. If I were born in Holland I would at least mention it in this thread..it's about what region in the world are you from, so in that case I would be from Holland with Punjabi roots etc. I wouldn't be ashamed of my birthplace wherever I would be born..that's all AWAR.... She doesn't have to shout to me like that though You seriously need to separate sub-racial and racial classifications from your personal opinion on people. The fact that you're Punjabi is all that is important for classification, and especially to what this thread is about. If you were born in Tokyo, you'd still be a Punjabi (MC). If she didn't mention being born in Turkey, how would you know of it? C'mon, be a gentleman, be the first to quit with quarreling.
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Post by rusalka on Mar 23, 2004 18:08:49 GMT -5
it's about what region in the world are you from, so in that case I would be from Holland with Punjabi roots etc. I wouldn't be ashamed of my birthplace wherever I would be born..that's all AWAR.... I don't remember ever being "ashamed" of where I was born in. If that were the case I could have easily lied about it, as this is the internet and there's no knowing otherwise. Everyone in this whole bloody forum, and every other person over at Skadi know where the hell I was born and lived most of my life. So, that eliminates your so-called "reason" for getting all hot about this issue. If the question is where I am from physically, I might as well check America, as it is the country I am a resident of now. Don't try to make up reasons for being a pain in the ass, calling me this and that and posting something negative under EVERY damn thread I post in. Stop playing the innocent, we all know you hold a grudge and you're so transparent, it shows every time.
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Post by HINDI on Mar 23, 2004 18:27:23 GMT -5
aww..ok lol
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Ioulianos
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Post by Ioulianos on Mar 23, 2004 20:16:29 GMT -5
Hindy can make the ladies of this forum really upset.So,go on pal,keep up the good work
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Post by rusalka on Mar 23, 2004 20:46:34 GMT -5
Hindy can make the ladies of this forum really upset.So,go on pal,keep up the good work So you're the resident misogynist I assume?
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Post by Marina on Mar 23, 2004 21:11:13 GMT -5
Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Southwestern Russia genealogically; Dordogne, France genetically. I don't have a crush on Eleanor d'Aquitiaine for no reason. How are you genetically French? Eleanor d'Aquitaine is the greatest. I would have a crush on her, too, if I were male.
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