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Post by Syydyo Ytoko on Mar 3, 2004 20:39:44 GMT -5
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Post by murphee on Mar 5, 2004 18:10:00 GMT -5
I like jazz only if it is melodic. When it is too free-form, it just sounds like noise to me. My favorite music has elements of rock, blues and jazz mixed together.
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Post by Springa on Mar 5, 2004 22:10:45 GMT -5
I, on the other hand, am into bebop, modern and free jazz mainly, like John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, Ornette Coleman, 50's Miles Davis, etc...
As the cliché says, it's the the greatest all american art form.
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Post by Syydyo Ytoko on Mar 6, 2004 18:44:00 GMT -5
OK
Considering that Jazz is "black" musik do you think that a white Jazz-lover could be and racist (anti-black) at the same time?
I know a woman who pretends to be a great jazzlover
and connoisseur and exposes definitely anti-black
attitude when concerning other topics.
I can not estimate if she is sincere about both topics.
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Post by murphee on Mar 8, 2004 13:51:59 GMT -5
I think it's absolutely possible and even quite common. There are people who are racist, who dislike Blacks, but who enjoy aspects of Black culture.
By the way, my niece played in an award-winning high school jazz band and has met Wynton Marsalis several times ;-)
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Post by Afro on Mar 8, 2004 15:08:36 GMT -5
OK Considering that Jazz is "black" musik do you think that a white Jazz-lover could be and racist (anti-black) at the same time? Absolutely. A matter of fact, I was watching the "Chappelle Show" on Comedy Central the other day on DVD, and they had some un-edited Paul Mooney (Comedian) skit. The skit was called "Ask A Black Man" where they basically picked random white and asian people off the street and gave them there chance to ask this black man anything they wanted. I forget what the question was, but Paul said something like "Everyone wants to be a nigga......but nobody wants to be a nigga" referring to what you just said. I gurantee that there is people riding around in nazi flagged draped trucks while listening to 50 Cent as I type this. |
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Post by Syydyo Ytoko on Mar 8, 2004 16:40:33 GMT -5
I don't think so. I'd like to point the big difference between Jazzmusic and Rapmusic that you concerned.
Rap is a street music, ghetto music. It is favourite to
street criminals and sometimes is made by them. Its
main inspiration comes from basic animal instincts.
I mean sex, fighting, etc.
Jazz is another planet. It produces very much deeper
emotions (good jazz of course ). It is between sadness
and happiness and refers to more complex spiritual
and intellectual mood. It is even sometimes snobbish
and many of its fans pretend to be intelligent and
free-spirited. It is somekind elite music.
I personally don't know a rap-lover to be and a racist
at the same time. Rappers I know are mostly teenagers
who couldn't make the difference between Adolf Hitler
and Martin Luther King. Of course they they are pretty
sure that niggaz have black skin, live in the streets of
america and sing cool things. They need to do smthing
Fighting against smthing. They need to express them-
selves. Thats why they are attracted to street life and
partly to criminal life.
Nazis are playing the same game but the they are in
another team. They also need to do smthing,
fighting against smthing and express themselves.
Their music is also agressive flat and also inspired by
animal instincts. They call it WN-metal/ hard-rock
I'm not sure.
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Post by Necronomicom on Mar 8, 2004 17:48:02 GMT -5
Swing and Jazz were popular music styles in germany before it got censored by the Nazi gorvernment, in the 60's Jamaican Ska and proto-reggae was very popular amoung English paki-bashing Skinheads, some Jamaican Ska bands even recorded songs that talk about the Skinheads, today many white racists listen to blues and black rock n' roll, Skrewdriver (most famous White-Power band ever) even recorded a cover from the song "Johnny B. Good" by Chuck Berry, but in Skrewdriver's version the song is called "Johnny joined the Klan"  |
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Post by Afro on Mar 8, 2004 19:00:38 GMT -5
I don't think so. I'd like to point the big difference between Jazzmusic and Rapmusic that you concerned.
Rap is a street music, ghetto music. It is favourite to
street criminals and sometimes is made by them. Its
main inspiration comes from basic animal instincts.
I mean sex, fighting, etc.
Not all rap is like that, a matter of fact, other then what you see on BET and MTV, MOST rap isn't like that.
Thats like me saying all rock is like Marilyn Manson made for and by depressed people that want to commit suicide.
But just for the record, you KNOW there is SOME racist white people that will listen to Eminem.
I do get what your saying though, Jazz is considered "real" music.
Anyway, still though, it doesn't take from the fact that alot of anti-black people still embrace in black "things". Just as anti white people still embrace white "things".
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Post by Syydyo Ytoko on Mar 8, 2004 19:34:46 GMT -5
No doubt.
When somthing is good it is good.
To make good things is the reason why we are here.
Any color could be good or bad. I want to live in a
colorful world.
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Post by Graeme on Mar 9, 2004 10:02:11 GMT -5
I hate Jazz. It is a cacophony to me and very self indulgent particularly all that inprovisation stuff. Leonard Bernstein did a TV series on Jazz and he explained its original additions to music, unfortunately it did not help me like it.
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Post by Herzeleid on Mar 10, 2004 13:05:23 GMT -5
No doubt. When somthing is good it is good. To make good things is the reason why we are here. Any color could be good or bad. I want to live in a colorful world. Well said. Talent is talent, good music is good music, no matter where it comes from. I agree with everything you said, except for the last sentence. |
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Post by Springa on Mar 10, 2004 18:50:14 GMT -5
Doesn't mean anything, since the skinhead thing had nothing to do with politics back then. in the 60's Jamaican Ska and proto-reggae was very popular amoung English paki-bashing Skinheads, some Jamaican Ska bands even recorded songs that talk about the Skinheads, |
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Post by Tautalos on Mar 12, 2004 7:02:53 GMT -5
Jazz make me sick. It's total lack of direction and straightness reminds me of spineless things.
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Post by geirr on Mar 12, 2004 7:44:27 GMT -5
My favourites are Miles Davis and John Coltrane, that mellow style from the 50's
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