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Post by Herzeleid on Mar 11, 2004 13:45:06 GMT -5
I saw some beautiful folklore manisfestations from Madeira in RTPi a while ago. I just love portuguese traditional songs, dances, and stories, I think they're just beautiful!
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Post by Silveira on Mar 11, 2004 14:35:50 GMT -5
«Duma civilização que regressa cientificamente à selva separa-nos sem remissão o espiritualismo - fonte, alma, vida da nossa História. Fugimos a alimentar os pobres de ilusões, mas queremos a todo o transe preservar da onda que cresce no mundo a simplicidade da vida, a pureza dos costumes, a doçura dos sentimentos, o equilíbrio das relações sociais, esse ar, modesto mas digno da vida portuguesa - e através dessas conquistas ou reconquistas das nossas tradições, a paz social.»
António de Oliveira Salazar, em 15 de Abril de 1937
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Post by micheloblite on Mar 11, 2004 17:09:55 GMT -5
i would like to learn about diasporic portugueses (for esample from hawaii, venezuela, caribean,united states.
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Post by Vimara on Mar 12, 2004 2:18:35 GMT -5
www.clul.ul.pt/english/sectores/projecto_mirandes.html <~~also a good link www.ethnologue.com/show_map.asp?name=PortugalLanguages of Portugal See language map. Republic of Portugal, República Portuguesa. National or official language: Portuguese. 9,869,000 (1998 UN). Literacy rate 83% to 84%. Also includes Kabuverdianu 50,000, Arabic 27,000, from Goa India 20,000, Timor Indonesia 3,000, Brazil 103,000, Angola or Mozambique 100,000, Cape Verde 3,000, elsewhere in Africa 800,000. Information mainly from R.A. Hall 1977; F.B. Agard 1984; B. Comrie 1987. Christian, secular. Blind population 8,225. Deaf population 8,000 to 638,070 (1998). Deaf institutions: 16. Data accuracy estimate: B. The number of languages listed for Portugal is 7. Of those, all are living languages. Diversity index 0.02. Spoken living languages ASTURIAN [AUB] Miranda do Douro. Alternate names: ASTURIAN-LEONESE. Dialects: WEST ASTURIAN, CENTRAL ASTURIAN (BABLE). Classification: Indo-European, Italic, Romance, Italo-Western, Western, Ibero-Romance, North, Central. <br>More information. CALÓ [RMR] 5,000 in Portugal. Alternate names: CALÃO, GITANO, IBERIAN ROMANI. Dialects: SPANISH CALO, PORTUGUESE CALÃO (CALÃO, LUSITANO-ROMANI), CATALONIAN CALO, BASQUE CALO, BRAZILIAN CALÃO. Classification: Indo-European, Italic, Romance, Italo-Western, Western, Gallo-Iberian, Ibero-Romance, West Iberian, Castilian. <br>More information. GALICIAN [GLN] 15,000 in Tras Os Montes (1994 D. and N. Burns). Northern provinces of Entre-Minho-e-Douro and Trazoz-Montes (Tras Os Montes). Alternate names: GALEGO, GALLEGO. Classification: Indo-European, Italic, Romance, Italo-Western, Western, Gallo-Iberian, Ibero-Romance, West Iberian, Portuguese-Galician. <br>More information. MIRANDA DO DOURO [MWL] 10,000 (1995 SIL). Northeast Portugal, southeastern tip of Tras Os Montes area, on the Spain border, at the latitude of Zamora, city of Miranda. Alternate names: MIRANDESA, MIRANDES. Classification: Indo-European, Italic, Romance, Italo-Western, Western, Gallo-Iberian, Ibero-Romance, West Iberian, Asturo-Leonese. <br>More information. PORTUGUESE [POR] 10,000,000 in Portugal. Population total all countries 176,000,000 first language speakers (1999 WA), 191,000,000 including second language speakers (1999 WA). Alternate names: PORTUGUÊS. Dialects: BEIRA, GALICIAN, MADEIRA-AZORES, ESTREMENHO, BRAZILIAN PORTUGUESE. Classification: Indo-European, Italic, Romance, Italo-Western, Western, Gallo-Iberian, Ibero-Romance, West Iberian, Portuguese-Galician. <br>More information. ROMANI, VLAX [RMY] 500 Kalderash in Portugal. Dialects: KALDERASH. Classification: Indo-European, Indo-Iranian, Indo-Aryan, Central zone, Romani, Vlax. <br>More information. Deaf sign languages PORTUGUESE SIGN LANGUAGE [PSR] (Used by a considerable portion of the 8,000 deaf persons; 1986 Gallaudet Univ.) Alternate names: LINGUA GESTUAL PORTUGUESA. Dialects: LISBON, OPORTO. Classification: Deaf sign language. <br>More information.
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Post by Vimara on Mar 12, 2004 3:51:22 GMT -5
herzeleid wrote "I'd like to know how's the realationship between northern portuguese people and galicians and asturians." alex answer right on the nose.But he forgot one critical point.FOOTBALL! hehe dont talk about football teams..... "And, I'd like to know how strong are the cultural and ethnical differences between northern and southern portuguese people." the cultural is differences is slim like alex had said. its mainly based on region. like west of america is slightly different from the eastcoast of america. or like southern states of america to northern states.but again one critical point is football!!northern portuguese supports sometimes call southern portuguese "moors" but thats only to instigate rivalry.and aslo same goes for the people of the islands (azores and madeira) the continental portuguese will out of humar say stuff about the people of the islands and so on.their is no ethnical differences unless you are a supporter of an opposite team hahaha. thats about it.. "Also, I'd like to how if the language/dialect spoke in Miranda is realted to celtic (gaelic?) languages." you got to realize iberian penninsular was "iberian" so if there is any realtionship to celtic languges its minor. "And what about their folklore dance and songs, from what part of Portugal did they derivate? " no one reallys knows. that a tuff question. their is many theorys though. try this link www.folclore-online.com/ . when i find some of the theorys ill post em!! my mom is from miranda. check out the bagpipes of that region.    im not sure if this is still working but it has mp3's of the bagpipes of miranda and also gerenrl bagpipes of portugal (gaita de foles) alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt/albin/thesaurus.pl?t=gaitai'll post more if you want. i have tons of links stashed in my favorites |
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Post by Silveira on Mar 12, 2004 8:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by Herzeleid on Mar 12, 2004 15:00:17 GMT -5
herzeleid wrote "I'd like to know how's the realationship between northern portuguese people and galicians and asturians." alex answer right on the nose.But he forgot one critical point.FOOTBALL! hehe dont talk about football teams..... "And, I'd like to know how strong are the cultural and ethnical differences between northern and southern portuguese people." the cultural is differences is slim like alex had said. its mainly based on region. like west of america is slightly different from the eastcoast of america. or like southern states of america to northern states.but again one critical point is football!!northern portuguese supports sometimes call southern portuguese "moors" but thats only to instigate rivalry.and aslo same goes for the people of the islands (azores and madeira) the continental portuguese will out of humar say stuff about the people of the islands and so on.their is no ethnical differences unless you are a supporter of an opposite team hahaha. thats about it.. "Also, I'd like to how if the language/dialect spoke in Miranda is realted to celtic (gaelic?) languages." you got to realize iberian penninsular was "iberian" so if there is any realtionship to celtic languges its minor. "And what about their folklore dance and songs, from what part of Portugal did they derivate? " no one reallys knows. that a tuff question. their is many theorys though. try this link www.folclore-online.com/ . when i find some of the theorys ill post em!! my mom is from miranda. check out the bagpipes of that region. im not sure if this is still working but it has mp3's of the bagpipes of miranda and also gerenrl bagpipes of portugal (gaita de foles) alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt/albin/thesaurus.pl?t=gaitai'll post more if you want. i have tons of links stashed in my favorites Yes, I am familiar with the Gaita Mirandesa. I watched 'Descobrindo Portugal' in RTPi (a reprise actually), and they were doinga show on the Azores, in the Pico island, and they filmed some local folklore manifestations. All the lyrics are about sealife, the men who dare to challenge the sea, and the women who weep when their men leave shore. Just beautiful! There aren't as many guitars as I expected (because of the influence from Alentejo), and the songs were very fast paced. But personaly I still like better the folk songs from the north (with the gaitas, sanfonas, and not so many guitars). Thank you so much for the links and all, and if you have more, keep'em coming! I can't get enough of Portugal, I am simply fascinated by it! |
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Post by Silveira on Mar 13, 2004 8:49:43 GMT -5
A suggestion for Iberian Bull:
You should place that linguistic map of the Iberian peninsula as a link instead of an image. The image is too wide, it makes reading the messages on this page difficult.
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Post by Vimara on Mar 13, 2004 13:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by Silveira on Mar 13, 2004 13:37:26 GMT -5
Thanks Iberian Bull. This page is now much easier to read. Here is link for a site with mp3 samples of folk music from the different Portuguese provinces: sonoridades.catus.net/fonoteca.htm |
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