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Post by Marina on Mar 25, 2004 20:02:38 GMT -5
Alex: I believe you that Islamic civilization is more accepting of homosexuality than Western civilization, but could you just clarify one thing? You mentioned that polygamy can lead to homosexuality (while it seems this would have exactly the opposite effect. ) So, how is this possible?
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Post by HINDI on Mar 25, 2004 21:45:04 GMT -5
Lawrence, the feminine AfrikanerAndy dude , your avatar..Seems you kinda like the 'gay' species..hmmm...
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 25, 2004 22:07:51 GMT -5
You mentioned that polygamy can lead to homosexuality (while it seems this would have exactly the opposite effect. ) So, how is this possible? Well, in a society where there is no sexual selection of the offspring (as what happens in China, for instance), the number of females will be similar or slightly higher than the number of males (I believe the norm is 52 females for every 48 males). Poligamy means that a few lucky guys will have lots of wives (Islam grants a maximum of four wives to a man). This means that if 10% of the men decide to have 4 wives each, they will have 40% of the available females. This also means that there will be 30% of the males without a wife. Not only these men will likely become more violent, but some of them are likely to become interested in some sort of homosexual behaviour. I have a theory based on what is known about homosexuality. It is believed that homosexuality is caused because during the embryonic development, the phoetus doesn't receive the right amount of hormones. Ex: a male phoetus who receives an exagerated amount of estrogens from the mother's blood supply, will likely to become "gay"; a female phoetus that receives an exagerated amount of testosterone (yes, females produce it too!) will probably become a lesbian. Some time ago, there was a study that concluded that the hypothalamus of gay men was similar to the hypothalamus of straight women. Many of you have probably noticed that many lesbians (not all though) are very manly looking. All this makes sense and supports what I already said. One thing to have into account, is that there is no "homosexual gene", so it is not a "genetic disease". Homosexuality is self destructive from an evolutionary perspective, because people can't reproduce in a homosexual relationship. Another interesting aspect of homosexuality, is how it is seen in certain cultures and throughout history. Prior to Christianity, homosexuality was tolerated, and in some cultures, heterosexual intercourse had no other use other than reproduction. Christianity changed this. This means that to a certain extent, education is also a part of the problem. Here is what I believe in a) every man and every woman is born with a male and a female side b) these percentages vary with the individual (ex. some males are 70% "male", some are 80%) c) depending on what education one receives, one may potenciate one of his sides, and repress the other (example: ten years ago, women wanted "sensitive men", and as a result men tried to become less butch) d) some individuals are naturally not exclusively homosexual nor heterosexual (let's call them "intersexuals") e) you can turn one intersexual into a heterosexual if you direct him in a given way early on through education (this is why more liberal countries have higher % of homosexuality, although that also has to do with the existence of a lower % of closet homosexuality) f) you cannot turn a true homosexual into a real heterosexual (because education will only go so far) Getting back to Islam, in a country where there aren't enough available women, where physical contact with women is punished, where physical contact with men is tolerated, and when there are plenty of available men, what do you think will happen? The unhappy heteros will join some weird religious fundamentalist group, and the homos will start dancing the conga!!! ;D
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Post by PotereDelSaturno on Mar 25, 2004 23:30:24 GMT -5
Italians are neck and neck with negroes...FORZA ITALIA! ;D
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Post by rusalka on Mar 26, 2004 0:18:53 GMT -5
Italians are neck and neck with negroes...FORZA ITALIA! ;D Yeah, who the hell's ever tried it out with them anyway? I wasn't aware of having that many black members on the board.
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Post by plus on Mar 26, 2004 7:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah, who the hell's ever tried it out with them anyway? I wasn't aware of having that many black members on the board. It could be Jewish propaganda.
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 26, 2004 7:31:14 GMT -5
It could be Jewish propaganda. It would take a pretty stupid Jew to vote for a Black man when he could vote for his own people. That's just the "Tate effect" - one of two black guys cloning themselves. Of course, we might also have a few very liberal women present and not know about it.
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Post by Scoob on Mar 26, 2004 12:29:02 GMT -5
Well, in a society where there is no sexual selection of the offspring (as what happens in China, for instance), the number of females will be similar or slightly higher than the number of males (I believe the norm is 52 females for every 48 males). Poligamy means that a few lucky guys will have lots of wives (Islam grants a maximum of four wives to a man). Getting back to Islam, in a country where there aren't enough available women, where physical contact with women is punished, where physical contact with men is tolerated, and when there are plenty of available men, what do you think will happen? The unhappy heteros will join some weird religious fundamentalist group, and the homos will start dancing the conga!!! ;D Very interesting food for thought - this sounds very sensible.
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Post by supergirl on Mar 27, 2004 17:12:18 GMT -5
Alex: I believe you that Islamic civilization is more accepting of homosexuality than Western civilization, but could you just clarify one thing? You mentioned that polygamy can lead to homosexuality (while it seems this would have exactly the opposite effect. ) So, how is this possible? Dear marina u r very wrong about islam world exepting hommosexuality its quite the opposite there is no such thing as open homosexuality unlike in the western world ..personaly I bliv ethere is maybe slightly more gay people in islamic countries coz of separation beetween males and femals but not in public
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Post by Marina on Mar 27, 2004 19:34:06 GMT -5
Well, in a society where there is no sexual selection of the offspring (as what happens in China, for instance), the number of females will be similar or slightly higher than the number of males (I believe the norm is 52 females for every 48 males). Very interesting. I heard somewhere that poorer countries tend to have higher percentages of females. Why is this, and how does it relate to the absence of sexual selection? Fascinating! Thanks for clarifying, and I tend to agree. Particularly interesting is how you pointed out that homosexuality might be caused by the abount of male and female hormones recieved before birth. That would definitely explain why homosexual males tend to look very feminine, and homosexual females tend to look very masculine. I've wondered why this was, so thanks for the info.!
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Post by Marina on Mar 27, 2004 19:37:39 GMT -5
Dear marina u r very wrong about islam world exepting hommosexuality its quite the opposite there is no such thing as open homosexuality unlike in the western world ..personaly I bliv ethere is maybe slightly more gay people in islamic countries coz of separation beetween males and femals but not in public There you go, in public! There might be less open homosexuality in the Middle Eastern world, but, for the reasons Alex pointed out, Islamic societies seem to be encouraging of homosexuality, indeed.
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Post by Artemisia on Mar 27, 2004 22:56:31 GMT -5
Marina, just out of curiosity, have you read Steve Caton's "Lawrence of Arabia: A Film's Anthropology"? Great book and very psychological (and anthropological of course!) LoA was one of the reasons I decided to become an archaeologist.
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 28, 2004 0:40:43 GMT -5
Very interesting. I heard somewhere that poorer countries tend to have higher percentages of females. Why is this, and how does it relate to the absence of sexual selection? Females tend to be more resistant to most diseases than males (the estrogens are an excellent tool against infections and such). One exception are urinary and sexual infections, in which males tend to be more resistant for anatomical reasons. Women also tend to live longer than men for similar reasons. Fascinating! Thanks for clarifying, and I tend to agree. Particularly interesting is how you pointed out that homosexuality might be caused by the abount of male and female hormones recieved before birth. That would definitely explain why homosexual males tend to look very feminine, and homosexual females tend to look very masculine. I've wondered why this was, so thanks for the info.! These are my opinions, and while they are based in science they are still mere opinions. Don't take them as an absolute fact, because they are not. I still think that my opinions make a lot of sense, tough, and they also explain that there is little reason to discriminate homosexuals (though the same is not necessarily applied to flamboyant queers).
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Post by ginojda on Mar 30, 2004 23:19:56 GMT -5
Why does no one respond to these things? Are you guys really that shy? I'm not shy! I voted Italian because I'm Italian/Irish/Spanish American, and think we meds are the best lovers! Have you ever heard our SE belle's complain?
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Post by Marina on Apr 1, 2004 20:03:12 GMT -5
Have you ever heard our SE belle's complain? Heehee. Yes, I am a SE belle, and unfortunately I do complain quite a bit on this forum.
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