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Post by Agrippa on Oct 19, 2005 12:55:34 GMT -5
Where do you place the origin of the Lolo (Yi) if not in the are of Tibet in the wider sense? I read it in a book of v. Eickstedt (he brought various references, both from anthropologists-ethnologists of his time and missionaries, people which led expeditions there in general and had personal impressions as well (he travelled through Southern China), he showed examples, some could be explained being just Protomongolid/europoid influenced, even Nordsinid variation only, but others seem to show real signs of admixture, since most Chinese-European mixed individuals look less extreme than especially one example...
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Post by human2 on Oct 19, 2005 13:03:05 GMT -5
Where do you place the origin of the Lolo (Yi) if not in the are of Tibet in the wider sense? I read it in a book of v. Eickstedt (he brought various references, both from anthropologists-ethnologists of his time and missionaries, people which led expeditions there in general and had personal impressions as well (he travelled through Southern China), he showed examples, some could be explained being just Protomongolid/europoid influenced, even Nordsinid variation only, but others seem to show real signs of admixture, since most Chinese-European mixed individuals look less extreme than especially one example... The Yi are just a part of Tibeto-Burmans from Qinghai, the original home of Tibeto-Burmans, what in Chinese are called Qiang. It's all pretty much historically established. I don't even think it's they who brought the look you are talking about, not wholly atleast. It's just from the people already established in the region. Before Sino-Tibetans, it was perhaps Austroasiatic people. Regardless, I don't see how you can explain southern phenotypes as "Europid" admixture. I mean where does that even come in? How do you even come up with that conclusion? Mind explaining to me in detail? The Yi are a small ethnic group in Yunnan. One reason I sometimes react harshly is just that it's dense to me... like the way I react to Bush's speeches. |
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Post by human2 on Oct 19, 2005 13:04:30 GMT -5
Are you done with the Tungid thread, BTW? You haven't replied. Can you reply to that thread to let me know what's your final stance?
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Post by Agrippa on Oct 19, 2005 13:44:03 GMT -5
Thats at least possible, assuming that a more progressive Weddoid element mixed with Nord-Mittelsinids, this could lead to a quite European look. I should mention that those "Europoids" are mostly darker skinned than the Sinids, though from that rule exceptions were mentioned as well. So they should be, if, pred. of Irano-Afghan (Iranid-Nordindid) origin. Eickstedt mentioned certain customs etc. which point probably (he said himself its speculative) to East Turkestan.
Eickstedts Idea was that those groups living in East Turkestan came under pressure because of two elements: Desertification and war, pressure from Tungids. Now they had two options, going West (North was blocked and uninteresting, East was blocked by old Chinese), or going, especially if they were herder, south along the highlands. He explained how they could march South as herder warriors along the highland areas, partly without too much contacts to the lowland farmers.
So v. Eickstedt had the idea that many East Turkestan groups went through or at the border of East Tibet, through the highlands was the way for many herder groups in special, he also mentioned Tungid individuals in Szechuan-Yunnan, which he explained in the same way, being "splitted from their main groups because of the pressure (ecological and war) in the North Western areas.
Ok, just keep it civil.
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