Did Babylonians look like modern day Iraqi arabs?

[zain]

Acknowledgments We are grateful to all the donors of the DNA samples, fromEthiopia and Kuwait.

kuwait !!! where is yemen ?!!you cant make any conclusion based in 112 sample of yemeni from kuwait .they could be poor kadam (afro-arabian)working there .

[lurker4now]

zain said:

Acknowledgments We are grateful to all the donors of the DNA samples, fromEthiopia and Kuwait.

kuwait !!! where is yemen ?!!you cant make any conclusion based in 112 sample of yemeni from kuwait .they could be poor kadam (afro-arabian)working there .

zain im not making any claims.if im wrong explain it to me

[lurker4now]

the arabian peninsula hasnt been studied well.their lacks studies.

[lurker4now]

zain said:

Acknowledgments We are grateful to all the donors of the DNA samples, fromEthiopia and Kuwait.

kuwait !!! where is yemen ?!!you cant make any conclusion based in 112 sample of yemeni from kuwait .they could be poor kadam (afro-arabian)working there .

btw who and where are the kadam from?

[zain]

according to Encyclopaedia Britannica (1985 edition) in yemen there are

Isolated communities of African origin, remnants of ancient invasions or slave groups, include the Hujurs in the western part and the Sibyan in the Hadramawt.

other name for them is kadam or afro-arabian . they are the low caste in yemen .(osam ben ladens's father is from them ).
ancient semitic yemeni went to africa ,but many of them have been pushed back to yemen later .that is how yemen had the afro-arabian caste

[wallace]

zain said:

according to Encyclopaedia Britannica (1985 edition) in yemen there are

Isolated communities of African origin, remnants of ancient invasions or slave groups, include the Hujurs in the western part and the Sibyan in the Hadramawt.

other name for them is kadam or afro-arabian . they are the low caste in yemen .(osam ben ladens's father is from them ).
ancient semitic yemeni went to africa ,but many of them have been pushed back to yemen later .that is how yemen had the afro-arabian caste

prove osamas dad was an "afro arab"
location doesnt mean anything

[lurker4now]

wallace said:

zain said:

according to Encyclopaedia Britannica (1985 edition) in yemen there are

other name for them is kadam or afro-arabian . they are the low caste in yemen .(osam ben ladens's father is from them ).
ancient semitic yemeni went to africa ,but many of them have been pushed back to yemen later .that is how yemen had the afro-arabian caste

prove osamas dad was an "afro arab"
location doesnt mean anything

his fathers origins is in Wadi Doan in Hadramaout, Yemen anything else wade i mean wallace i mean abdul

[wallace]

lurker4now said:

wallace said:

prove osamas dad was an "afro arab"
location doesnt mean anything

his fathers origins is in Wadi Doan in Hadramaout, Yemen anything else wade i mean wallace i mean abdul

whats your point? just becuase he was from hadramawt yemen(which btw is eastern yemen (away from africa) doesnt tell anything about any supposed "afro arab" roots of his father
plus osamas mother, was from syria

[lurker4now]

wallace said:

lurker4now said:

his fathers origins is in Wadi Doan in Hadramaout, Yemen anything else wade i mean wallace i mean abdul

whats your point? just becuase he was from hadramawt yemen(which btw is eastern yemen (away from africa) doesnt tell anything about any supposed "afro arab" roots of his father
plus osamas mother, was from syria

my point? anyone with two eyes and knows how to read can make up there own mind.
globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=851&cid=2&sid=71

wade=wallace if you werent such a stoog you would have read the whole thread the info is posted

[Ponto Hardbottle]

k5125 said:

holyjesus said:

k, you are missing the point by miles. They say Jews are intelligent! Well, you must have missed the brains boat. The old scroat from Iraq or Timbuktu or who cares, doesn't dye his scraggy geriatric beard. It is yellowed because he is an old scroat, an antique man well past his best before date. No other Iraqi Yehudis have yellow in their beards because they aren't decayed enough and their beards still grey.

Old men have beards that color. Even 105 year old Aboriginal men. If Chinese men could grow beards they would be yellowed bearded at 105 as well.

Alright, we'll just wait and see.

The Jew on the left with the long white beard and glasses is Iraqi Israeli. We'll see if his beard goes yellow, and he is already very old.

That old Jew will not get a yellowed beard. You know why? Because his beard would of been red or brown to start with, that is had much less melanin or phaeomelanin. How do I know? By his pink complexion and his white hands. His fellow Jews are of different complexion and the one with the grey beard obviously had a black beard with lots of melanin in his youth. The grey beard Jew will never have a white beard but if he lives long enough he will get yellowish stains on his beard too. It all depends on the level of melanin. Your old scroat with the yellowish beard would of had a jet black beard, his skin color tells me that, and I doubt if people with that amount of melanin will ever go white just grey with yellow stains.
I have never met such a perverse person as you. Very unrealistically stubburn and closed minded. No, I take that back, Charlie Bass seems to be similar to you.

[Ponto Hardbottle]

lurker4now said:

, there is a significant excessof the African mtDNA component in another southernArabian population, the Omanis (37%) (authors’ unpub-lished results), as compared with the virtual absence ofthe Y-chromosomal counterpart (Luis et al. 2004).Third, the high frequency of haplogroup L6 in Ye-menis points to an enigmatic link between the south-western Arabian gene pool with that of East Africa. Thishaplogroup derives from the phylogenetic tree of sub-Saharan African mtDNA haplogroups but shows onlymarginal incidence in Ethiopians and is completely ab-sent elsewhere in Africa. Its high frequency in Yemen,together with low haplotype diversity, probably reflectsthe effect of genetic drift in a small founding population.A recent bottleneck of the general Yemeni populationseems unlikely because of the high haplotype variationin other haplogroups (table 3). A founder effect fromoutside is also not supported, because of the lack of apossible source population outside Yemen, in whom theL6 founder haplotype would be present at a significantfrequency. From the present evidence, the possibilitycan-not be eliminated that this haplogroup may even haveoriginated from the same out-of-Africa migration thatcarried haplogroups M and N and founded the mtDNAdiversity of Eurasia, the Americas, and Oceania. Yet, thisscenario would imply a total isolation of a southern Ara-bian population from the others in that region to explainthe absence of L6 types in other populations of the NearEast, Arabia, and elsewhere in the world. Alternatively,in consideration of the highly heterogeneous haplogroupcomposition of individual populations from East Africa(e.g., from Tanzania [Knight et al. 2003]) and the almostcomplete lack of data from some regions (like Somaliaand Kenya), it is possible that the source population ofYemeni L6 varieties has not yet been sampled.In summation, Ethiopian and Yemeni maternal line-ages can be seen as composites of both sub-Saharan andwestern Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups that coexist inalmost equal proportions on both sides of the Red Sea.On the surface, it suggests a very extensive bidirectionalgene flow between the two areas, readily supported byhistoric narratives as well as quantitative population sta-tistics. Founder analysis of individual elements of thiscomposition, however, revealed that, during the last sev-eral thousands of years, the populations of the Horn ofAfrica and southern Arabia, though sharing a minor partof their maternally inherited genomes, had received ma-jor demic influences from different sources—which theydo not necessarily share—including the Near East, India,and northeastern and southeastern Africa. The presenceof a frequent founder sequence type of an ancient andas-yet-uncharacterized haplogroup L6 in the Yemenipopulation, with no haplotype match in the African database, intriguingly points to a possibly early gene flowacross the Red Sea or to a signal of gene flow from anAfrican population that has not yet been sampled.AcknowledgmentsWe are grateful to all the donors of the DNA samples, fromEthiopia and Kuwait. We thank Phillip Endicott, for helpfuldiscussion, and Jaan Lind and Hille Hilpus, for technical as-sistance. This work was supported by Estonian Science Foun-dation grants 5574 (to T.K) and 5807 (to E.M.) and by Eu-ropean Commission grants ICA1CT20070006 and QLG2-CT-2002-90455 (to R.V.).Electronic-Database InformationAccession numbers and URLs for data presented herein areas follows:ADMIX 2.0, web.unife.it/progetti/genetica/Isabelle/admix2_0.htmlARLEQUIN package, lgb.unige.ch/arlequin/EMBL Nucleotide Sequence Database, www.ebi.ac.uk/embl/ (for the HVS-I sequences [accession numbersAJ748863–AJ749247])ReferencesAl-Zahery N, Semino O, Benuzzi G, Magri C, Passarino G,Torroni A, Santachiara-Benerecetti AS (2003) Y-chromosomeand mtDNA polymorphisms in Iraq, a crossroad of the earlyhuman dispersal and of post-Neolithic migrations. Mol Phy-logenet Evol 28:458–472Andrews RM, Kubacka I, Chinnery PF, Lightowlers RN, Turn-bull DM, Howell N (1999) Reanalysis and revision of theCambridge reference sequence for human mitochondrialDNA. Nat Genet 23:147Bamshad M, Kivisild T, Watkins WS, Dixon ME, Ricker CE,Rao BB, Naidu JM, Prasad BV, Reddy PG, Rasanayagam A,Papiha SS, Villems R, Redd AJ, Hammer MF, Nguyen SV,Carroll ML, Batzer MA, Jorde LB (2001) Genetic evidenceon the origins of Indian caste populations. Genome Res 11:994–1004Bandelt H-J, Forster P, Röhl A (1999) Median-joining networksfor inferring intraspecific phylogenies. Mol Biol Evol 16:37–48Brakez Z, Bosch E, Izaabel H, Akhayat O, Comas D, Bertran-petit J, Calafell F (2001) Human mitochondrial DNA se-quence variation in the Moroccan population of the Soussarea. Ann Hum Biol 28:295–307
www.oxfordancestors.com/papers/mtDNA03%20PolymorphismsInIraq.pdf

I can't read that excerpt. It is too badly drafted on this board. It would be better if you just posted the link. I am able to draw my own conclusions from their data and work out if their discussion/conclusions are valid or just tapdancing. Considering the connection of East Africa to Yemen via Saba and other kingdoms it is very likely some genetic exchange occurred in both directions Africa to South Arabia long before any low caste slaves from the sub Sahara or anywhere else in more recent times.

[gambler32]

wade said:

^^


Saddams son can pass for a Mexican.Infact many Arabs look like Mexicans.