Racial Character of the Semites

[mike2]

Why are Semites always singled out from the white racial category when they are classified as Caucasoid? I have always considered white to be synonymous with "Caucasian," not synonymous with "Aryan" or "European." Most of the peoples of the Caucasus aren't Aryans either, yet white nationalists seem to accept them as "white." What is it about the Arabs and Jews that turns racists off?

[murphee]

White Nationalists generally find the phenotypes, the cultures and the religions of Jews and Arabs distasteful.

[Solomon]

It's not exclusive to WNs. The average person probably doesn't know that there are "Caucasians" outside of Europe.

[mike2]

Which almost begs the question if the exclusion of Jews and Arabs from the "white" category is purely political. The nationalists make it seem as though there is something physical that separates the Semites from the rest of the Caucasoids. Indeed, an Arab would be easy to spot in a crowd of southern Europeans. What is it about them besides their dark skin color that gives them a non-white appearance? Is it the frizzy hair and thick lips of many of them? Or is it the nose?

And yeah, somehow according to the nationalist mentality every ethnic group outside of Europe is non-white by virtue of geography. It's ridiculous.

[alexandrian]

Solomon said:

It's not exclusive to WNs. The average person probably doesn't know that there are "Caucasians" outside of Europe.

Sadly, that's absolutely true.

[mike2]

I do too believe that Semites are white. It's just their ethnic affinity to other Caucasoids that confuses me.

If I'm not mistaken, Coon lumped the Arabs and Iberians into one group: Mediterranean Proper.


Spaniard


Arab

And that is the most European-looking Arab I could find.

[alexandrian]

There are many people in "Arab" countries with quintessential Mediterranean looks, but it depends on what you define Arab as being. If it's solely Arabian Penninsula than most would be typical Semites, but if ARab includes Egyptians, Libyans, Maghrebians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Palestinians, you will find many with quintessential Med looks.

[mike2]

Well, I define Arab as more of a cultural term than a racial one. I believe the original "true" Arabs to have been the biblical Joktanites. But what I'm really trying to stress is the Semites themselves. But what exactly is a Semite? Is it linguistically-based? Partly, but I consider the Semites to be the literal descendants of Shem, the biblical Patriarch. Language is secondary for a reason I will relate in a moment.

Consider the genealogy of Shem, the father of the Semitic races:

"Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were Children born. The children of Shem: Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram."
- Genesis 10:21-22

Shem had five sons, which are five eponyms of nations. Elam is listed as the first son and we know darn well that the Elamites did not speak a "Semitic" language. I have heard that Elamites were a Caucasoid people but that Elam itself contained a significant number of proto-Australoids and that the Elamite language might be related to the Dravidian languages. Is it feasible to consider that the Elamites might have mixed with the Proto-Australoids to become the later Dravidians and Indus River Valley civilization builders?

Consider the Phoenicians and Canaanites. The Table of Nations in Genesis very clearly points out that the Phoenicians and other Canaanites were Hamites, not Semites.

Back to the point about language: The only reason "Semitic" was ever used in linguistics was because the great majority of the speakers of the family were of Semitic derivation, but not all. I guess the people who coined it for use in language studies couldn't figure out a better word. "Asiatic" would of course been too confusing to use.

The second son of Shem is Asshur, associated with the Akkadians and Assyrians. Aren't the Assyrians Armenoid? Were they always Armenoid or did they acquire it through admixture with neighboring groups?

The third son of Shem is Arphaxad, the ancestor of the Hebrews. Hebrew is an absolutely huge group, and the word itself comes from "Eber," a descendant of Arphaxad. Hebrew not only includes the Israelites, but also the Joktanites, Ishmaelites, Midianites, Edomites, Ammonites, Moabites, Jokshanites, and so on and so forth. It is my belief that all these Hebrew groups (save maybe the Israelites) combined over time to form the nucleus of what we would call "Arab." What I want to know is if these people looked different from the Arabs of today. I want to know if the Arabs acquired their characteristics through admixture with non-Caucasoids or if they are just extremely well-adapted to the desert.

The fourth son of Shem is Lud. We don't know much about him, but etymologically his name would point to Lydia. We know of course the Lydians were Indo-Europeans/Aryans and could not have been Semites. Lud must refer to Semites who lived in Lydia before the arrival of the great Anatolians from the Balkans.

The fifth son of Shem is mercifully easy to identify. Aram is of course the ancestor of the Aramaeans, or Syrians.

So, to answer your question, I believe the "Arab" to be more of a cultural term than an ethnic one. The first ethnically-identifiable Arabs were the Joktanites of southern Arabia.

[mike2]

Here's a list of the descendants of Shem I just threw together.

THE SEMITES

A.) Sons of Elam
1.) Elamites
B.) Sons of Asshur
1.) Akkadians
2.) Assyrians
3.) Babylonians of Semitic Affinities?
C.) Sons of Arphaxad (Hebrews and Possibly Chaldaeans)
1.) Pelegites
	a.) Abramites (Sons of Abraham)
		i.) Ishmaelites (Sons of Ishmael)
			i-A.) Arabs of Nebajoth
			i-B.) Arabs of Kedar
			i-C.) Arabs of Abdeel
			i-D.) Arabs of Mibsam
			i-E.) Arabs of Mishma
			i-F.) Arabs of Dumah
			i-G.) Arabs of Massa
			i-H.) Arabs of Hadar, Hadad
			i-I.) Arabs of Tema
			i-J.) Arabs of Jetur
			i-K.) Arabs of Kaphish
			i-L.) Arabs of Kedemah
		ii.) Isaachites (Sons of Isaac)
			ii-A.) Edomites, Idumaeans (Sons of Esau)
				ii-A-1.) Temanites
				ii-A-2.) Kenezites
				ii-A-3.) Amalekites
			ii-B.) Israelites (Sons of Jacob)
				ii-B-1.) Reubenites
				ii-B-2.) Simeonites
				ii-B-3.) Levites
				ii-B-4.) Jews
				ii-B-5.) Issacharites
				ii-B-6.) Zebulunites
				ii-B-7.) Danites
				ii-B-8.) Josephites
					ii-B-8-a.) Manassites
					ii-B-8-b.) Ephraimites
				ii-B-9.) Benjamites
				ii-B-10.) Naphtalites
				ii-B-11.) Gadites
				ii-B-l2.) Asherites
		iii.) Jokshanites
			iii-A.) Shebans, Sabeans
			iii-B.) Dedanim
				iii-B-1.) Asshurim
				iii-B-2.) Letushim
				iii-B-3.) Leummim
		iv.) Midianites (Arabians of the Red Sea Coast)
		v.) Ishbakites (Northern Arabians)
	b.) Haranites (Sons of Haran)
		i.) Moabites
		ii.) Ammonites
2.) Joktanites (Sons of Joktan)
	a.) Arabs of Almodad
	b.) Arabs of Sheleph
	c.) Arabs of Hazarmaveth
	d.) Arabs of Jerah
	e.) Arabs of Hadoram
	f.) Arabs of Uzal
	g.) Arabs of Diklah
	h.) Arabs of Obal, Ebal
	i.) Arabs of Abimael
	j.) Arabs of Sheba
	k.) Arabs of Ophir
	l.) Arabs of Havilah
	m.) Arabs of Jobab
D.) Sons of Lud
1.) Pre-Indo-European Peoples of Lydia
E.) Sons of Aram
1.) Aramaeans/Syrians

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It is my conviction that these people were/are all Caucasoid. But in the thousands of years they have lived in the Middle East, has their ethnic character changed? The term "Orientalid" confuses me. Coon divided whites in to two: Upper Paleolithic and Proto-Mediterranean. Upper Paleolithic encompassing the Brunns, Borrebies, and the Alpines (before their being reduced) and Proto-Mediterranean encompassing Mediterranean Proper, Atlanto-Mediterranean, Corded, Danubian, and various other types like Irano-Afghan and Cappadocian. Is Orientalid/Arabid really a member of Mediterranean Proper?

[yigal]

well dude i gotta be honest, and dont take offense, but around hear a greek and an "arab"(usually Lebanese) arent all that diffrent, and some greeks look swarthier than some lebaneses ive met,also whats the name of that Lebanese american actress that looks almost exactly like that chick from my big fat greek wedding oh yeah i found her kathy najimi

LEBANESE

GREEKA
and theres yet another actress whos Jewish(ashkenazic i belive) who has same phenotype

listen im not an arab so i have no agenda just an observation

[alexandrian]

Laine Kazan, who played the mother in My Big Fat Greek Wedding, is I belive a Lebanese Jew

[yigal]

yeah,her shes ashkenazi btw

[Solomon]

^Wasn't there also an Armenian actor in that movie?

[k5125]

Classic semite.





White supremacists don't find our lips, noses and eye shape very attractive. They also don't like our stereotyped hair texture.

We are white, but there is no convincing people like that.

[yigal]

lol why do people always post fugloids as "representative of the jewish race"