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Nov 15, 2004 10:18:33 GMT -5
Post by Agrippa on Nov 15, 2004 10:18:33 GMT -5
I don't think so, more Ethiopid Yes, more Aethiopid than anything else though more on the Negroid side of this type. The typical or original Negrids are the Sudanids because they have the most extreme specialization of the Negrid race, whereas other types have more archaic features or influences of other types. Most Slaves came from the West African coast, Sudanids predominate though Palaenegrids are well represented as well and Kafrids are at least not absent. If you see elongated faces and nose, you can usually assume some sort of Aethiopid or Europid influence. This is essentially true no matter where you find such people. F.e. in the Zulu tribes in South Africa you can clearly see a certain amound of Aethiopid (not direct Europid) influence responsible for such refined, elongated, narrow face-nose types. The problem with the African American population is the Europid admixture, but from what I saw and read Sudanid is definitely predominant. Just look at typical dark black basketballers, if they are no recent immigrants from Southern Sudan or East Africa they can usually be considered as being typical Sudanids. Though even under this dark black people you can see a certain Aethiopid or direct Europid influence from time to time... Typical Sudanids: I know its from a game, but still typical features... (Puff might have very slight Aethiopid influence though) A map I can generally agree with though I posted a better one on Skadi which some here might not be able to see... I saw good maps about the expansion of Bantu's and the origin of the African American slavs as well, though I dont have them at home and cannot post them... Imo Aethiopids in the widest sense can be divided in at least 4 groups. West Africans which show the combination of Sudanid and Berberid features, the general Ethiopian type with a combination of Mediterranoid and general Negrid, the Niloto-Hamits (f.e. many Massai and Tutsi) with a combination of Nilotid with Aethiopid and the Somali (one average of course) with a combination of Orientalid and general Negrid. For the West African Aethiopids which might came as slavs at least in small numbers to America is this group very typical: So some slavs might have had some Europoid-Aethiopid admixture even before they arrived in the Americas.
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May 1, 2005 3:08:15 GMT -5
Post by One Humanity on May 1, 2005 3:08:15 GMT -5
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Jun 29, 2005 11:43:43 GMT -5
Post by One Humanity on Jun 29, 2005 11:43:43 GMT -5
Tutsi of Rwanda:
* Head length: 198 mm * Head breadth: 147 mm * Face height: 125 mm * Face breadth: 134 mm * Nose height: 56 mm * Nose breadth: 39 mm * Relative trunk length: 49.7 * Cephalic Index: 74.5 * Facial Index: 92.8 * Nasal Index: 69.5
Masai:
* Stature: 173 cm * Head length: 194 mm * Head Breadth: 140 mm * Face Height: 121 mm * Face Breadth: 137 mm * Nose Height: 54 mm * Nose Breadth: 39 mm * Relative Trunk length: 47.7 * Cephalic Index: 72.8 * Facial Index: 89.0 * Nasal Index: 72.0
Galla(Oromo):
* Stature: 171 cm * Head length: 190 mm * Head Breadth: 147 mm * Face Height: 122 mm * Face Breadth: 133 mm * Nose Height: 53 mm * Nose Breadth: 37 mm * Relative Trunk length: 50.3 * Cephalic Index: 77.6 * Facial Index: 91.5 * Nasal Index: 69.0
Sab Somali:
* Stature: 173 cm * Head length: 194 mm * Head Breadth: 145 mm * Face Height: 119 mm * Face Breadth: 134 mm * Nose Height: 49 mm * Nose Breadth: 36 mm * Relative Trunk length: 49.7 * Cephalic Index: 74.7 * Facial Index: 88.5 * Nasal Index: 72.8
Warsingali Somali:
* Stature: 168 cm * Head length: 192 mm * Head Breadth: 143 mm * Face Height: 123 mm * Face Breadth: 131 mm * Nose Height: 52 mm * Nose Breadth: 34 mm * Relative Trunk length: 50.7 * Cephalic Index: 74.5 * Facial Index: 94.1 * Nasal Index: 66.0
Source: Jean Hiernaux The People of Africa pg 142
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Jun 29, 2005 12:32:21 GMT -5
Post by Rockstar135 on Jun 29, 2005 12:32:21 GMT -5
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Jun 29, 2005 13:09:04 GMT -5
Post by mike2 on Jun 29, 2005 13:09:04 GMT -5
Considering the history of the Dominican Republic is closely tied with that of Haiti, most of the black folks came from West African countries. The main difference between Dominicans and black Americans is that about 75% of the Dominicans are mulattos.
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Jun 29, 2005 13:13:02 GMT -5
Post by Rockstar135 on Jun 29, 2005 13:13:02 GMT -5
I'm not Dominican as in Dominican Republic, I'm Dominican (last "i" pronounced as "ee") as in from the Commonwealth of Dominica...Totally different place...
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Jun 29, 2005 13:15:43 GMT -5
Post by mike2 on Jun 29, 2005 13:15:43 GMT -5
Ooohhh! You mean that little island... well, I don't know. Probably not very different from the rest of the Caribbean, though.
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Jun 29, 2005 13:21:40 GMT -5
Post by Rockstar135 on Jun 29, 2005 13:21:40 GMT -5
I think many people in the Carribbean would beg to differ;)...There are many different languages (often on the same island), different customs, totally different cultures...
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Jun 29, 2005 13:32:41 GMT -5
Post by mike2 on Jun 29, 2005 13:32:41 GMT -5
Sure, but I mean racially. Most of the people are West African.
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Jun 29, 2005 13:40:21 GMT -5
Post by Rockstar135 on Jun 29, 2005 13:40:21 GMT -5
Yes, that's well-known...but I'm wondering if people from certain Carribean nations have different West African extractions than those from the upper Americas...I mean, there are quite a few West African nations.
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Jun 29, 2005 13:43:14 GMT -5
Post by Rockstar135 on Jun 29, 2005 13:43:14 GMT -5
I mean, that create the Carribbean diasporic look...
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Jun 30, 2005 20:31:01 GMT -5
Post by magneto on Jun 30, 2005 20:31:01 GMT -5
Rockstar the slaves in Latin America,West Indies and United States really weren't all that different besides some places probably having mostly one type while others had alot of different types.
I think the slaves in Dominica were a mix of Senegalese,Nigerians,Ghanians and maybe some Angolans.
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Jul 2, 2005 2:32:46 GMT -5
Post by asdf on Jul 2, 2005 2:32:46 GMT -5
As opposed to 100% of black Americans? I'm just kidding, well, not really. What percentage of white and black exactly do you mean by that?
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Jul 2, 2005 6:31:47 GMT -5
Post by mike2 on Jul 2, 2005 6:31:47 GMT -5
What I mean is that more than 75% of Dominicans show a mulatto phenotype. Most black Americans don't.
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Jul 2, 2005 18:53:57 GMT -5
Post by shango on Jul 2, 2005 18:53:57 GMT -5
Mike,
You are in Florida. The Blacks in Florida are very dark skinned. In Virginia, they are are very light. In the Carolinas, they don't look much different from the Quisqeyanos (Dominicans).
Florida is a bad example. Where I am I grew up around very lightskinned Blacks many of whom don't "look" Black at all. Alicia Keys and Halle Berry are not unique.
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