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Post by rossi on Jan 25, 2006 18:52:42 GMT -5
The following three postulates have been gleaned and distilled from a variety of scientific sources. I am soliciting responsible comment in opposition to any one or all three postulates. Simply state your case. There will be no discussion but I will respond to requests for greater clarity or specificity. Thank you in advance for your kind consideration of this matter.
1. The E3b haplogroup is a lineage with a variety of subclades and with the origin undoubtedly of an indigenous population group of Africa, therefore they had autosomes for dark skin and other characteristics commonly associated with Black Africans.
2. All light skin European E3b individuals are ultimately the result of inheritance due to indigenous African E3b males breeding with females who had autosomes for light skin and other characteristics associated with Europeans.
3. Light skin autosomes arose somewhere in ancient Europe and nowhere in ancient Africa.
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Post by nordicyouth on Jan 25, 2006 21:01:01 GMT -5
Which Europeans are light-skinned and are E3b?
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Post by Polako on Jan 25, 2006 21:10:13 GMT -5
Which Europeans are light-skinned and are E3b? Quite a few northern Europeans carry E3b.
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Post by rossi on Jan 25, 2006 21:42:49 GMT -5
Which Europeans are light-skinned and are E3b? Quite a few northern Europeans carry E3b. This is an interesting comment for personal reasons. Is there data somewhere to support your statement? rossi
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Post by rossi on Jan 25, 2006 21:45:33 GMT -5
Which Europeans are light-skinned and are E3b? I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. rossi
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Post by Polako on Jan 25, 2006 22:11:08 GMT -5
Quite a few northern Europeans carry E3b. This is an interesting comment for personal reasons. Is there data somewhere to support your statement? rossi About 6% of Germans and 4% of Poles carry E3b. Other northern European countries have similar figures. That's millions of people.
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Post by Dienekes on Jan 25, 2006 22:40:43 GMT -5
All human Y chromosomes are ultimately descended from those of East Africans who probably had dark skin because skin color is significantly predicted by latitude and East Africans of today have dark skin.
Postulate 2 is wrong, because the light skin color of E3b bearing individuals is not the result of admixture but of natural selection in populations in latitudes that favored a lighter skin pigmentation.
Postulate 3 is also wrong since light skin color is not exclusive to Europeans and light skin color is shared by most Caucasoids. We can just say that Europeans from the more northern latitudes usually have more loss-of-function mutations leading to light skin color, not that these mutations originated in Europe itself. They were selected positively in Europe, or negative selection against them was weakened, but there is no reason to believe that they originated in Europe itself.
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Post by mhagneto on Jan 25, 2006 23:40:50 GMT -5
The following three postulates have been gleaned and distilled from a variety of scientific sources. I am soliciting responsible comment in opposition to any one or all three postulates. Simply state your case. There will be no discussion but I will respond to requests for greater clarity or specificity. Thank you in advance for your kind consideration of this matter. 1. The E3b haplogroup is a lineage with a variety of subclades and with the origin undoubtedly of an indigenous population group of Africa, therefore they had autosomes for dark skin and other characteristics commonly associated with Black Africans. 2. All light skin European E3b individuals are ultimately the result of inheritance due to indigenous African E3b males breeding with females who had autosomes for light skin and other characteristics associated with Europeans. 3. Light skin autosomes arose somewhere in ancient Europe and nowhere in ancient Africa. / Whoever "gleaned and distilled" these "postulates" from "scientific sources" (pompous rhetoric) does not think scientifically. Let me guess. You're an "afrocentric"--- only there do we find that inimitable combination of assertion, pomposity, and stupidity, and most annoying of all, narcissistic negritude. You want us to make sensible comments on insensible statements?
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 26, 2006 10:15:15 GMT -5
The following three postulates have been gleaned and distilled from a variety of scientific sources. I am soliciting responsible comment in opposition to any one or all three postulates. Simply state your case. There will be no discussion but I will respond to requests for greater clarity or specificity. Thank you in advance for your kind consideration of this matter. 1. The E3b haplogroup is a lineage with a variety of subclades and with the origin undoubtedly of an indigenous population group of Africa, therefore they had autosomes for dark skin and other characteristics commonly associated with Black Africans. 2. All light skin European E3b individuals are ultimately the result of inheritance due to indigenous African E3b males breeding with females who had autosomes for light skin and other characteristics associated with Europeans. 3. Light skin autosomes arose somewhere in ancient Europe and nowhere in ancient Africa. / Whoever "gleaned and distilled" these "postulates" from "scientific sources" (pompous rhetoric) does not think scientifically. Let me guess. You're an "afrocentric"--- only there do we find that inimitable combination of assertion, pomposity, and stupidity, and most annoying of all, narcissistic negritude. You want us to make sensible comments on insensible statements? Stop with the uncalled for attacks, Rossi posts on egyptsearch and he is *NOT* some "afrocentrist" in the negative way that you define it, why don't you spend more time thinking of a CONSTRUCTIVE RESPONSE!
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 26, 2006 10:20:32 GMT -5
facts:
- Not all E3b bearing individuals are dark skinned, although the original E3b bearers were.
- E3b is founds predominately in sub-Saharan East Africans[E3b1 delta and gamma] but E3b* is found mostly in sub-Saharan southern, eastern and even western Africans[Mossi]. All E3b1 clades are east African at the roots, but no all E3b1 clades are East African specific.
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Post by mhagneto on Jan 26, 2006 10:41:27 GMT -5
/ Whoever "gleaned and distilled" these "postulates" from "scientific sources" (pompous rhetoric) does not think scientifically. Let me guess. You're an "afrocentric"--- only there do we find that inimitable combination of assertion, pomposity, and stupidity, and most annoying of all, narcissistic negritude. You want us to make sensible comments on insensible statements? Stop with the uncalled for attacks, Rossi posts on egyptsearch and he is *NOT* some "afrocentrist" in the negative way that you define it, why don't you spend more time thinking of a CONSTRUCTIVE RESPONSE! / Egyptsearch? Oh, no, Charlie, that's not an "afrocentric" site now, is it? Looks like I guessed right. As for "uncalled for attacks" why don't you send these "postulates" (sic) to a geneticist to see what he says. I've looked in on egyptsearch a few times and their whole vision of human biological variation is preposterous. They mimic the jargon , but they don't undrestand anything. Even you, Charlie, are a lot closer to the truth than they are!
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 26, 2006 10:54:18 GMT -5
Stop with the uncalled for attacks, Rossi posts on egyptsearch and he is *NOT* some "afrocentrist" in the negative way that you define it, why don't you spend more time thinking of a CONSTRUCTIVE RESPONSE! / Egyptsearch? Oh, no, Charlie, that's not an "afrocentric" site now, is it? Looks like I guessed right. As for "uncalled for attacks" why don't you send these "postulates" (sic) to a geneticist to see what he says. I've looked in on egyptsearch a few times and their whole vision of human biological variation is preposterous. They mimic the jargon , but they don't undrestand anything. Even you, Charlie, are a lot closer to the truth than they are! For your information, I have emailed gen eticists and have gotten answers for my questions so there's no need for me to make lame layman postulations about things I have no understanding of. Second, whatever your characterization of egyptsearch, dodona is no better, people here have even more lame posts about anthropology and genetics. Egyptsearch just presents a different view and approach than this board and just because you don't agree with what is said there it does not by any stretch of your imagination mean people at egyptsearch are delusional people drowned in ideology.
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Post by mhagneto on Jan 26, 2006 11:10:13 GMT -5
/ Egyptsearch? Oh, no, Charlie, that's not an "afrocentric" site now, is it? Looks like I guessed right. As for "uncalled for attacks" why don't you send these "postulates" (sic) to a geneticist to see what he says. I've looked in on egyptsearch a few times and their whole vision of human biological variation is preposterous. They mimic the jargon , but they don't undrestand anything. Even you, Charlie, are a lot closer to the truth than they are! For your information, I have emailed gen eticists and have gotten answers for my questions so there's no need for me to make lame layman postulations about things I have no understanding of. Second, whatever your characterization of egyptsearch, dodona is no better, people here have even more lame posts about anthropology and genetics. Egyptsearch just presents a different view and approach than this board and just because you don't agree with what is said there it does not by any stretch of your imagination mean people at egyptsearch are delusional people drowned in ideology. / First, Dienekes knows infinitely more than you or those at ES. You care only about "blacks" and know next to nothing about the genetics in the rest of the world. Therefore you have no perspective. Second, neither you or ESers have any science background. Did you ever take an upper level science course at a good college? So don't give me this "layman" crap. Finally, to be frank, none of you is well-educated or very bright. Yes, that's my "opinion", but remember, Charlie, not all opinions are equal. One more thing, the people at Gene Expression are scientists; offer them your negritic crap and see how they respond. And, by any stretch of the imagination, ES is populated by delusional people,and they maintain these illusions-- and always will- because they're parochial, paranoid, and dumb.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 26, 2006 11:41:46 GMT -5
First, Dienekes knows infinitely more than you or those at ES. You care only about "blacks" and know next to nothing about the genetics in the rest of the world. Therefore you have no perspective. Yes Dienekes knows way more than me big time, man my feeling are sure hurt. Listen here, like I said, I email the professionals myself and ask for their opinions and interpretations of *THER* studies, Dienekes presents alot of theories that he automatically elevates to absolute truths. my purpose of posting wasn't to gripe about who's better between me and Dieneks though I can state with the most overwhelming confidence that I can and have more than held my own against Dienekes plenty of times; Dienekes merely changes his stance time and time again whenever its suits him. Yes i have taken classes buddy, big time. And dienekes is a layman, i've emailed so many geneticists the junk Pontikos has on his blog about *THEIR* studies and they just laugh, especially Jim Wilson et al about Pontikos saying Ethiopians are not black. What do you know about the educational back grounds of posters at egyptsearch? You're just blowing more skome and prejudging people. Last time I checked, Pontikos is no anthropologists or geneticists, have you questioned his credentials?
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Post by mhagneto on Jan 26, 2006 13:13:58 GMT -5
Yes Dienekes knows way more than me big time, man my feeling are sure hurt. Listen here, like I said, I email the professionals myself and ask for their opinions and interpretations of *THER* studies, Dienekes presents alot of theories that he automatically elevates to absolute truths. my purpose of posting wasn't to gripe about who's better between me and Dieneks though I can state with the most overwhelming confidence that I can and have more than held my own against Dienekes plenty of times; Dienekes merely changes his stance time and time again whenever its suits him. Yes i have taken classes buddy, big time. And dienekes is a layman, i've emailed so many geneticists the junk Pontikos has on his blog about *THEIR* studies and they just laugh, especially Jim Wilson et al about Pontikos saying Ethiopians are not black. What do you know about the educational back grounds of posters at egyptsearch? You're just blowing more skome and prejudging people. Last time I checked, Pontikos is no anthropologists or geneticists, have you questioned his credentials? / What science classes have you taken, Bass, and at what college? Dienekes is cited by many science blogs, how many cite ES? Dienekes is a layman? And what are you? A scientist because you ask questions by Email? What grandiosity! The people at ES are science illiterates. BTW,Bass, what were your SAT scores?
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