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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 1:06:00 GMT -5
Gambler,
Some of these girls are definitely lighter-skinned with more European bodily proportions. Very pretty too btw. I think a common combination for these pics seems to be a more European body type, a tanned complexion (not as dark as Amerinds or Amerind-based mestizos), and mixed facial features. Many of the women here have higher cheekbones or Amerind-influenced eyes, but say with a longer face and a prominent European nose (or it may be some other facial combination). A few here are actually as light as me (and in a couple cases even fairer).
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 1:06:47 GMT -5
^OK, but one more question. If I remember correctly, northern and north/central Mexico contains people with considerably more Iberian ancestry, including many Euro-based mestizos. If what you say is true about most Mexican immigrants as a whole coming from these areas, why do they look quite Amerindian? gambler> Well the ones coming from North/Central Mexico and Western Mexico are more Iberian than Amerindian on average but you will get some who are more Amerindian .But most of more Amerindian look are from Southern Mexico who are heading to the East Coast. The ones coming from Mexico from North/central and western mexico are from the lower classes .But alot of the lower classes from those regions are still more Iberian than Amerindian. buddy> Is this because the lower classes in these areas are also more Amerindian-looking as well? I'm just curious that's all. gambler> read above and see the pixs of the girls. their parents are from Mexico's lower classes but from Western Mexico, North/Central or Northern Mexico. Please remember i have been to all these states. buddy>Additionally, I have seen pics and people of Mexican origin outside of Pennsylvania, and the Amerindian component seems to be dominant. I was once in Texas for a brief amount of time, and many of the local stores and eateries were heavily staffed by Mexicans (presumably immigrants as they spoke mostly Spanish). The dominant look, at least in my eyes, was Amerindian, though some were lighter-skinned. Gambler>ok. I don't know what areas of Mexico they were from. buddy>I think Josh also stated that where he lives in Washington, there is a substantial Mexican-American community, with most of the people looking more on the Amerindian side. gambler> i haven't been to Washington so i can't say much. But Mexican migration in certain areas, is dominiated by people being from a certain or village. buddy>Oh well, I guess I'll wait for the pics. Please know that I don't mean anything offensive by stating that most of the Mexicans I've seen looked more on the Amerindian side. I'm not trying to distort the picture. Gambler> no offense buddy. I am just trying to explain and educate people who don't know about Mexico or the Mexican migration patterns. I am here also to learn from other Ethnic,Nationalities etc.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 1:10:43 GMT -5
Gambler, Some of these girls are definitely lighter-skinned with more European bodily proportions. Very pretty too btw. I think a common combination for these pics seems to be a more European body type, a tanned complexion (not as dark as Amerinds or Amerind-based mestizos), and mixed facial features. Many of the women here have higher cheekbones or Amerind-influenced eyes, but say with a longer face and a prominent European nose (or it may be some other facial combination). A few here are actually as light as me (and in a couple cases even fairer). Girls like that are common in the states i mentioned before. Those states have sent 65% of Mexico's migration. Im not saying all are light skin mestizos(as) but a great portion that the states have sent are. You mix that with other mestizos that have arrived who were 50/50 and you have Mexican-American population that is on average 65% Iberian ,35% Amerindian.Based on the studies.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 1:12:27 GMT -5
Gambler, Some of these girls are definitely lighter-skinned with more European bodily proportions. Very pretty too btw. I think a common combination for these pics seems to be a more European body type, a tanned complexion (not as dark as Amerinds or Amerind-based mestizos), and mixed facial features. Many of the women here have higher cheekbones or Amerind-influenced eyes, but say with a longer face and a prominent European nose (or it may be some other facial combination). A few here are actually as light as me (and in a couple cases even fairer). Let me add these girls are first generation or were born in Mexico.
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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 1:19:05 GMT -5
Just wondering, how do you think most of these mestizos would be viewed in Spain?
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 1:41:01 GMT -5
Just wondering, how do you think most of these mestizos would be viewed in Spain? I don't know.
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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 1:51:56 GMT -5
^I only meant in terms as to what they look like in relation to the Spaniards. I have one theory (coming straight out of my ass but I'll try). I think that most Spaniards would view the mestizos you posted as sharing several traits in common with them, but with certain traits that were "off" for lack of a better term. In other words, traits such as the eye shapes, slightly more tanned complexions, higher cheekbones, etc. would indicate to the natives that they were from somewhere in Latin America and not Spain or anywhere else in Europe. This is just a thought.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 1:58:45 GMT -5
^I only meant in terms as to what they look like in relation to the Spaniards. I have one theory (coming straight out of my ass but I'll try). I think that most Spaniards would view the mestizos you posted as sharing several traits in common with them, but with certain traits that were "off" for lack of a better term. In other words, traits such as the eye shapes, slightly more tanned complexions, higher cheekbones, etc. would indicate to the natives that they were from somewhere in Latin America and not Spain or anywhere else in Europe. This is just a thought. You probably are right.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 2:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 2:39:01 GMT -5
^Yeah, the eye shape and especially the wide setting of the eyes is the only giveaway in her case. I guess if I went to Mexico the locals would probably just see me as a criollo if my Spanish was good enough (I haven't practiced in awhile lol).
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 2:46:15 GMT -5
^Yeah, the eye shape and especially the wide setting of the eyes is the only giveaway in her case. gambler> Yeah the eye shape is a give away. So wide setting of the eyes in her case is Amerindian trait? buddy> I guess if I went to Mexico the locals would probably just see me as a criollo if my Spanish was good enough (I haven't practiced in awhile lol). gambler> i guess so.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 2:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 2:52:45 GMT -5
^I've noticed on average, widely set eyes are more common in East Asians and Amerindians. About my comment on the whole criollo thing, at least when I was in Costa Rica, my friends were mostly northern European-looking whereas as you know, I have more of a southern European phenotype. A few of the locals approached me in Spanish when I went off to buy some tequila haha. I figured that was the reason. However, I'm sure Argentina would be the one Latin American country where I'd look most at home (due to its large Italian population, along with various other European groups).
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 2:57:12 GMT -5
^I've noticed on average, widely set eyes are more common in East Asians and Amerindians. gambler> i never knew that. buddy>About my comment on the whole criollo thing, at least when I was in Costa Rica, my friends were mostly northern European-looking whereas as you know, I have more of a southern European phenotype. A few of the locals approached me in Spanish when I went off to buy some tequila haha. gambler> The stereotype in Latin America is that a "gringo" is blonde and blue eyed. buddy> I figured that was the reason. However, I'm sure Argentina would be the one Latin American country where I'd look most at home (due to its large Italian population, along with various other European groups). gambler> True. I don't doubt it.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 2:59:26 GMT -5
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