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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 10, 2006 15:59:34 GMT -5
If it´s only 44% in the student population, shouldn´t it be even lower among the general population?
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 10, 2006 16:00:44 GMT -5
If it´s only 44% in the student population, shouldn´t it be even lower among the general population? response to EUFRENIO Nope.did you read the other studies done in other parts of Mexico? Most students going to UNAM university are from Mexico's lower classes.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 10, 2006 16:02:30 GMT -5
If it´s only 44% in the student population, shouldn´t it be even lower among the general population? eufrenio, here is a study done on Mestizos from Mexico City population. Gene frequencies and racial intermixture in a Mestizo population from Mexico City. Tiburcio V, Romero A, De Garay AL. Blood specimens from a sample (of some 460 subjects) from the Mestizo population in Mexico City were tested for haptoglobin, transferrin, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase, acid phosphatase and haemoglobin types and blood groups. Gene frequencies for these characters were estimated. From the data on O, M, N, S, R degrees, r, Pc frequencies, the amount of admixture was calculated. In the Mestizo population studied the major contribution comes from European sources and the secondary contributions from Mexican Indians; the contribution from African sources is minimal. PMID: 655624 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Post by asdf on Jan 10, 2006 18:52:48 GMT -5
As explained, no, and mestizos rarely get more Amerindid than the Mexico City mestizo population.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 14, 2006 8:30:40 GMT -5
I´m surprised most UNAM students are lower class. Were do the upper and middle classes study?
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Post by Toasty on Jan 14, 2006 19:16:39 GMT -5
I´m surprised most UNAM students are lower class. Were do the upper and middle classes study? Harvard, Yale, Cambridge, etc... for the upper strata of course.
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Post by buddy on Jan 14, 2006 19:54:02 GMT -5
If it´s only 44% in the student population, shouldn´t it be even lower among the general population? response to EUFRENIO Nope.did you read the other studies done in other parts of Mexico? Most students going to UNAM university are from Mexico's lower classes. Quite frankly, I find this a little hard to believe in regard to its being representative of the general population at large, and it's mostly just due to the fact that people from this part of Mexico tend to look highly Amerindian (judging from the looks of most Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S., who are largely from Mexico City and the surrounding environs). Perhaps this simply has something to do with the dominance of Amerindian genes in phenotypes, I don't know. Although I've never been to Mexico, I have been to Costa Rica, which is heralded as the "whitest" country in Central America, with most people identifying as white, and some as mestizo. I found that although Costa Ricans were on average a bit lighter-skinned than their neighbors, a clear majority was definitely mestizo, not white. Perhaps the genetic results here would be similar to those from this part of Mexico? I'm just saying that most of these people don't look like they have that much Iberian admixture, but then again, I also realize that that's looks, not actual genes. Like I said, perhaps the Amerindian phenotype is more dominant.
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Post by Toasty on Jan 14, 2006 22:51:35 GMT -5
response to EUFRENIO Nope.did you read the other studies done in other parts of Mexico? Most students going to UNAM university are from Mexico's lower classes. Quite frankly, I find this a little hard to believe in regard to its being representative of the general population at large, and it's mostly just due to the fact that people from this part of Mexico tend to look highly Amerindian (judging from the looks of most Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S., who are largely from Mexico City and the surrounding environs). Perhaps this simply has something to do with the dominance of Amerindian genes in phenotypes, I don't know. Although I've never been to Mexico, I have been to Costa Rica, which is heralded as the "whitest" country in Central America, with most people identifying as white, and some as mestizo. I found that although Costa Ricans were on average a bit lighter-skinned than their neighbors, a clear majority was definitely mestizo, not white. Perhaps the genetic results here would be similar to those from this part of Mexico? I'm just saying that most of these people don't look like they have that much Iberian admixture, but then again, I also realize that that's looks, not actual genes. Like I said, perhaps the Amerindian phenotype is more dominant. Yeah, if they did those tests on other universities in other cities like Guadalajara or especially Monterrey, the results would be undoubtebly higher.
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Post by buddy on Jan 14, 2006 22:55:47 GMT -5
^Toasty, I've actually heard that Guadalajara received many German immigrants. I suppose we shouldn't forget that in plenty of cases, the European admixture in Mexicans isn't even Spanish, but French, German, and also Anglo-American.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 0:25:16 GMT -5
I´m surprised most UNAM students are lower class. Were do the upper and middle classes study? In Monterrey, they have the best universities, in the U.S. colleges or in Europe.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 0:29:41 GMT -5
[quote author=buddy board=genetics
Quite frankly, I find this a little hard to believe in regard to its being representative of the general population at large, and it's mostly just due to the fact that people from this part of Mexico tend to look highly Amerindian (judging from the looks of most Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S., who are largely from Mexico City and the surrounding environs).
gambler> Most Mexican immigrants are not from Mexico City. They are from Western Mexico or Northern Mexico or North Central Mexico.
buddy>I'm just saying that most of these people don't look like they have that much Iberian admixture, but then again, I also realize that that's looks, not actual genes. Like I said, perhaps the Amerindian phenotype is more dominant.
gambler> Buddy the immigrants that you see in Pennsylvania are from Southern Mexico, thats why they look mostly Amerindian. I will later post pics of Children of mexican immigrants from Western Mexico .
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 0:33:29 GMT -5
^Toasty, I've actually heard that Guadalajara received many German immigrants. I suppose we shouldn't forget that in plenty of cases, the European admixture in Mexicans isn't even Spanish, but French, German, and also Anglo-American. No. Guadalajara didn't recieve any significant German population. Guadalajara white heritage in the Mexican mestizo is majority Spanish,Basque. Germans mostly settled in Northern Mexico but very very settled in Mexico.Their is a mennonite community in mexico of 50,000 its recent immigration but they don't assimilate into Mexico society. Majority of Mexico's European ancestry is Spanish,Basque.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 0:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by buddy on Jan 15, 2006 0:46:25 GMT -5
^OK, but one more question. If I remember correctly, northern and north/central Mexico contains people with considerably more Iberian ancestry, including many Euro-based mestizos. If what you say is true about most Mexican immigrants as a whole coming from these areas, why do they look quite Amerindian? Is this because the lower classes in these areas are also more Amerindian-looking as well? I'm just curious that's all. Additionally, I have seen pics and people of Mexican origin outside of Pennsylvania, and the Amerindian component seems to be dominant. I was once in Texas for a brief amount of time, and many of the local stores and eateries were heavily staffed by Mexicans (presumably immigrants as they spoke mostly Spanish). The dominant look, at least in my eyes, was Amerindian, though some were lighter-skinned.
I think Josh also stated that where he lives in Washington, there is a substantial Mexican-American community, with most of the people looking more on the Amerindian side.
Oh well, I guess I'll wait for the pics. Please know that I don't mean anything offensive by stating that most of the Mexicans I've seen looked more on the Amerindian side. I'm not trying to distort the picture.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 15, 2006 0:56:07 GMT -5
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