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Post by kampilan on Dec 2, 2005 0:00:07 GMT -5
I think the correct term is Austocentric. Kampilan, I’m just pulling your leg, Filipinos are awesome. Nah I'm not austrocentric if you mean austronesian centric. How could you be a centric beacuase of a language family group? But yeah I believe that malay-polynesians are closely related to australoids, agtas (correct term for negritos in Phils), veddoids and papuans. I mean that we are indigenous to southeast asia and are not a result of a mixture between purported australoids who all look the same (ie Aussie aboriginals) and mongoloids whose true representative are mongolians. Southeast asians have mixed with many peoples but the 'malay' phenotype and the 'malay' people are indigenous and not a result of mixture. By the way you don't have to tell me I'm awesome I already know that ;D But it's good that others recognise it as well
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Post by penetratorx on Dec 2, 2005 4:59:37 GMT -5
do you eat balot ?
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Post by asdf on Dec 2, 2005 5:11:49 GMT -5
I think the correct term is Austocentric. Kampilan, I’m just pulling your leg, Filipinos are awesome. Nah I'm not austrocentric if you mean austronesian centric. How could you be a centric beacuase of a language family group? But yeah I believe that malay-polynesians are closely related to australoids, agtas (correct term for negritos in Phils), veddoids and papuans. I mean that we are indigenous to southeast asia and are not a result of a mixture between purported australoids who all look the same (ie Aussie aboriginals) and mongoloids whose true representative are mongolians. Southeast asians have mixed with many peoples but the 'malay' phenotype and the 'malay' people are indigenous and not a result of mixture. By the way you don't have to tell me I'm awesome I already know that ;D But it's good that others recognise it as well What exactly may I ask is the "Malay" phenotype?
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Post by kampilan on Dec 2, 2005 10:39:19 GMT -5
Yeah I do. It tastes quite good if you don't hink about what you are eating
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Post by kampilan on Dec 2, 2005 10:53:48 GMT -5
What exactly may I ask is the "Malay" phenotype? Asking that is the same as asking what is a chinese phenotype or an arab phenotype or a mexican phenotype or even an indian phenotype. There is no one 'look' for these groups samw as malays. By the way malay is real as in it's actually a noun so I don't know why you put it in quotation marks. Having said that, there is for people of these groups a set of features or phenotype that is defined as representing the classic 'look'. This is often recognisable as it is at once shared by most people in the group (taking into account variations from this 'look') and it also serves to differentiate them from others, hence they are often steroetypical and not really representative as average which is often assumed. There is what I like to call the national geographic (or in the context of this board the Carleton Coon) version and the local version. For a local (attractive) version google siti nurhaliza (Malay from Malaysia) or somebody more relevant to you Camille Velasco or Jasmine Trias both of whom are pinays.
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Post by jam on Dec 2, 2005 13:39:36 GMT -5
Kampilan, I'm sorry, I obviously misunderstood you. Hope it's ok?
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Post by kampilan on Dec 4, 2005 3:11:21 GMT -5
Kampilan, I'm sorry, I obviously misunderstood you. Hope it's ok? No need to apologise. I should be the one to apologise for intruding on this board. Normally comments such as the one made about Filipinos having low self-esteem that its cringe worthy would be ignored. After all ignorant and derogatory comments about people who you don't know anything about and have done nothing to you is par for the course in racialist fora. However I felt compelled to respond when someone, implying that they are Filipino, not only agreed with what was said but actually made claims about Filipinos which are patently false. You won't ever find Filipinos (southeast asians/pacific islander) in racialist fora where everybody is trying to prove that they are equal to whites and superior to others. They don't realise that by doing so they are actually proving otherwise. We dont do this because we have a sense of shame, dignity and sense of bortherhood for others (its called kapwa which doesn't exist in other cultures). Add to that it shows a lack of class and breeding to resort to denigrating others to make yourself look good and actually be proud of being prejudiced. Thus you can infer from my not so subtle statement what I (Filipinos and also other southeast asians) think of people who do so. I would like to address points made that I did not directly answer earlier beacause I feel that I owe it to you as I can see that what is said here about us does not quite mesh with what you know. Point 1: Filipinos always claim that they are half spanish because they are wannabes. This is a lie. No Filipino claims they are half spanish unless they really are. Mestizo families are well known and occupy prominent roles in society. Thus there can be no mistake who is or isn't of spanish heritage. Those that are half spanish, if they were born and grew up as Filipino never calim their spanish heritage when asked what ethnicity they are but just say Filipino. Mestizos are one of the most patriotic people in the Phils. Only when pressed would they elaborate. Those people who claim that Filipinos claim spanish heritage is also a liar for another reason. Filipinos in Philippines don't ever refer to the colonisers as spaniards or espanol but refer to them specifically as Kastila. Thus we don't have spanish heritage, we have Castilian heritage. As for those who claim they are mixed with spanish as some in the US have done, this was answered and explained on a previous post. No need to repeat it. Point 2: Filipinos are ashamed of themselves and have self esteem issues vis a vis other groups. This is a crack up especially when you see this kind of thing written by a person of non white, non black ethnic background who invariably claims that Filipinos want to be them ;D. It's astounding what self delusions can lead to. Anyone who knows Filipinos would know it is in fact the exact opposite. Point 3: Filipinos mixed with white will almost always look Filipino. Hence Filipino mestizos are not really mestizos, in fact there is almost no one in Phils who look mestizo. As one poster said in another thread " the caucasian features will get slaughtered". It is also to be inferred that Filipinos and generally malay-polynesians are quite unattractive and incapable of having attractive people. I won't deign to confirm or deny these by posting pictures proving we look more caucasian (european) thus more attractive as other people do. I ignore these kind of posts because I refuse to roll in the dirt with these people as any conversation with them always lead to parties resorting to the lowest common denominator. Suffice to say that in the real world it is in fact the exact opposite. Point 4: Filipinos and southeast asians in general are a mixture of people. This is true, but it is also true for almost everybody. What I'm trying to say is that despite this mixture southeast asians especially 'malays' are also largely indigenous and unique. point 5: My point. We might share cultural similarities, religous practices and history with east asians, south asians, west asians and latin americans and might even share blood but we are not the same. Sll of them have infact more in common with each other than any have with 'malays'. They represent opposite of everything we stand for in the things that truly matter. The way we view the world and what it means to be and most importantly how it is to be human, they are diametrically opposite. We have more in common with whites and blacks (american) due to colonisation and westernisation (US dominance). Thus whatever you know about these people does not necessarily mean it will also be true for Filipinos. For exapmle, all of them look down on certain groups of people and are proud of this. Filipinos and malay-polynesians don't look down on anybody or at least try not to and certainly don't go around the net posting about it.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Dec 4, 2005 12:29:33 GMT -5
kampilan, I'm guessing you are referring to me as saying false things about Philippines. Well news flash: It's my homeland and maybe my perceptions are different than yours-nothing more.
I grew up around people claiming Spanish blood when they are black and short and negrito in appearance. maybe your grew up around proud Pinoys or something but my experiences were a little different and made me slightly embarassed and ashamed a their behaviors.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 4, 2005 15:48:28 GMT -5
Joe Santiago - guitarist of The Pixies. He comes from one of the wealthiest families of the Philippines. He's obviously mixed with Spanish. Though, it's more common for a Philippino to be mixed with Chinese than Spanish, but even that mixture isn't very common. Chinese/Philippino mixed can also be found among the elite of that nation but play second fiddle to Spanish/philippino mix. Santiago does appear more Asian as he's gotten older.
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Post by kampilan on Dec 4, 2005 20:14:26 GMT -5
kampilan, I'm guessing you are referring to me as saying false things about Philippines. Well news flash: It's my homeland and maybe my perceptions are different than yours-nothing more. I grew up around people claiming Spanish blood when they are black and short and negrito in appearance. maybe your grew up around proud Pinoys or something but my experiences were a little different and made me slightly embarassed and ashamed a their behaviors. Look I don't want to fight with you. I just got slightly irritated about what you said about Filipinos. It is something that people who don't know anything would say. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So peace yeah BTW where are you (or your family) from in Phils to be surrounded by negrito looking people? They are rare in Phils and usually live in mountainous areas or forested areas. I don't know anybody who have seen them personally even though they live in the same province because they rarely talk to outsiders. There are 7 million Filipinos overseas and I can confidently say that the number of pure negritos among them can be counted in one hand. There maybe more but those that are heavily mixed don't look negrito. Also Pinoys don't call them negrito but something else do you happen to know what that is?
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Post by kampilan on Dec 4, 2005 20:46:17 GMT -5
Joe Santiago - guitarist of The Pixies. He comes from one of the wealthiest families of the Philippines. He's obviously mixed with Spanish. Though, it's more common for a Philippino to be mixed with Chinese than Spanish, but even that mixture isn't very common. Chinese/Philippino mixed can also be found among the elite of that nation but play second fiddle to Spanish/philippino mix. Santiago does appear more Asian as he's gotten older. He is does not look mestizo and will not be known as such. Santiago is a common surname in Phils so I don't know about being one of the wealthiest families. Some of the wealthiest families are the Ayala, Soriano, Elizalde, Mondragon, Echeverria, Barreto, Escudero, Cunnanan, Araneta etc etc. They are known even to me who have left the Phils when I was younger. My parents generation would know. The new lead of INXS is Filipino and I believe he is a mestizo I think his name is Mig Ayesa. If you are into rock maybe this info is of interest. Van Halen bros are half indonesian and Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam I think is half Filipino. Most people don't know. Liz Masakayan (pinoy father, white mother) is pro beach volleball player for US.
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Post by asdf on Dec 4, 2005 20:54:22 GMT -5
Joe Santiago - guitarist of The Pixies. He comes from one of the wealthiest families of the Philippines. He's obviously mixed with Spanish. Though, it's more common for a Philippino to be mixed with Chinese than Spanish, but even that mixture isn't very common. Chinese/Philippino mixed can also be found among the elite of that nation but play second fiddle to Spanish/philippino mix. Santiago does appear more Asian as he's gotten older. He is does not look mestizo and will not be known as such. Santiago is a common surname in Phils so I don't know about being one of the wealthiest families. Some of the wealthiest families are the Ayala, Soriano, Elizalde, Mondragon, Echeverria, Barreto, Escudero, Cunnanan, Araneta etc etc. They are known even to me who have left the Phils when I was younger. My parents generation would know. The new lead of INXS is Filipino and I believe he is a mestizo I think his name is Mig Ayesa. If you are into rock maybe this info is of interest. Van Halen bros are half indonesian and Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam I think is half Filipino. Most people don't know. Liz Masakayan (pinoy father, white mother) is pro beach volleball player for US. More like an 1/8 Indonesian. There's no way they could be half-Indonesian.
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Post by kampilan on Dec 4, 2005 21:05:35 GMT -5
More like an 1/8 Indonesian. There's no way they could be half-Indonesian. If you think there is no way they could be half indonesians, who am I to gainsay you that's your call dude Zack from saved by the bell (Mark-Paul Gosselaar) and Michelle Branch are also part indonesian.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 4, 2005 21:15:19 GMT -5
Somebody should find a pic of Mark's Indonesian Mama.
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Post by asdf on Dec 4, 2005 22:52:04 GMT -5
Yeah. My guess is she's diluted. Same with VH's mother.
Same thing happened with Kate Beckinsale--everyone thinks she's 1/4 East Asian, and by her grandfather's nationality, she is, but he was only half mongoloid.
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