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Post by Mike the Jedi on Aug 2, 2005 21:38:33 GMT -5
No, I am not a Jew. If you must know, I'm an American with Greek and Germanic ancestry. Are you Greek on your paternal or maternal side or both? Have you taken any chromosomal DNA tests to see to which haplogroup you belong and look at your haplotypes? I'm Greek paternally and I haven't taken any genetic tests yet, though I think it would be neat to do it one day.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Aug 2, 2005 21:40:22 GMT -5
The number of Negroid people who have no history of admixture with other races and can prove that, are a tiny minority of the human population. Every American who thinks he is black or woman like melani, is some sort of metee, a mix of West African negroid, NW European caucasoid and local indigenes Amerindians. Do you think that an unmixed proud black African with an intact culture and language would accept you with open arms, or be disgusted by your mixed status? I have heard plenty of American blacks havering on about Africa and Africans, but what do black Africans think about the darker Americans? Ask them. I am sure you all would be quite surprised at the level of hate they have towards the halfbreed foreigners who know all there is to know about Africa because they read it in some book written by some obscure Belgian who has fallen into oblivion. Africans hate you. A black planet would not include halfbreeds like Americans. Sorry, you don't qualify as black. Colored don't cut it.
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Post by Igu on Aug 3, 2005 12:55:09 GMT -5
Good post, I respect you for that. Now, moving on, what specific proof do you have that Tuaregs were originally pure "non-Negroid" Berbers who mixed with "Negroids"? Igu, I responded to you in the other thread. Once should suffice. And the term Congo-centric. Quite racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I will not use "Afrocentrists" to name them, they are centred around the Negroid race, not Africans. I once used negro-centrist but it was misunderstood because of the word "negro" (Actually I just shortened Negroid), Then I decided to use Congoid instead: "Congo-centrist". I dont see anything racist about it.
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Post by masri on Aug 3, 2005 13:43:02 GMT -5
I dont see anything racist about it. Neither I
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 3, 2005 14:35:29 GMT -5
Good post, I respect you for that. Now, moving on, what specific proof do you have that Tuaregs were originally pure "non-Negroid" Berbers who mixed with "Negroids"? Proof: Hazel-eyed touareg woman In that thread, I asked you that question : Btw, thats not the 1st challenging question of mine you ignore!.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 3, 2005 15:04:15 GMT -5
Berter: Obsessed with Berbers being white; I have been posting for 2 yrs or more and that statement just proves that you still do not get the point of my contributions here; Here is my agenda in simple words: Original Imazighen were a blend of 2 caucasoid peoples, namely 100% white cromagnoids and dark mediterranid capsians. You should do the experience yourself: come to the 'pure' amazigh regions of NWA and try to pass yourself for a touareg berber (I guess you are a bit fair since you are an afro-american). You'll be rejected instantly. First, read the founding documents of PAN. Second: Whats the population weight of IEs in the formation of modern White people!?. Most Europeans are white cro-magnoids and have no links with the Aryens. To simplify things for you: PANFF is a forum for white skins, simply. Thats right.
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Post by Igu on Aug 3, 2005 15:05:41 GMT -5
My interpretation of Igu: not really obsessed with wanting to be white, but gets heart attacks when black and Berber are mention in the same sentence. Fear factor of Blackness level: 5 When I came here, my interest was in Racial diversity, I knew how Berbers looked like before coming here, but what did I find here? I've seen guys like you painting a totally different story of reality, putting Blacks everywhere, using tuareg to prove that coastal Berbers where Black and got whitewashed by invasions, calling Tuareg "aboriginal Berbers"...etc. When Amska came here, he got everything ready: -most Congo-centrists gone. -You gave up your theories about Black moors and all the bullshit that goes with. -most people of the board know how berbers look like, and how ancient Berbers did. It's normal that he does not have the same reactions as mine, no frustarions... nothing. If you see any difference between me and Amksa, it's because of people like you.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 4, 2005 13:07:37 GMT -5
I find the Berbers posted by Berter a bit on the dark side. I agree; I told them that my standards are not as high as those of you and Amazigh! @charlie: I asked you a question, mind answer it!
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 4, 2005 13:55:03 GMT -5
Thanks, Med!
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Post by masri on Aug 4, 2005 17:51:28 GMT -5
I think I'll start a new thread called: "Afro" Centrists' fear of Berber planet? Of course people will fear being mentioned in the same line as black, as black Africa represents naked people hunting with sticks. I once show this reality show named "back to basics" and guess which place they chose to make that show? ... Why won't Subsharans admit that they never had any civilization nor a written language? The FUTURE and PRESENT is I think more important than HISTORY. If you still think history is important to you don't look for it North of the Sahara, as this belongs to the Noble and Free men. Even today we can observe Subsaharan Africa as a place of famine (yesterday Sudan, today Niger and who's next?), diseases (malaria), viruses (aids), ... Argh, you get my point, no need to rub it in your face. Look at Morocco (North African): a country with limited natural resources, largely desert and Mountains, a rapidly growing population, at war with the Polisario over the Moroccan Sahara, boycotted by neighbouring Algeria, plagued by islamists and locusts, droughts, ... despite of these handicapts Morocco never begged for food at the doorsteps of the West. Noble and Free people (the Imazighen) never beg! BerterGreat signature! Morocco : usinfo.state.gov/ei/Archive/2004/Nov/09-682532.htmlThis sounds like begging to me. In any case the biggest aid recipient in Africa is Egypt. (btw lol at USA making a contest to see who can earn its charitable donations...maybe they should make it a reality show called Fear factor ) Lets see who along with Morocco is in this contest to receive some baksheesh from USA: Subsaharans had written languages or maybe you havent heard of Ge'ez and many of the other wonders of the Horn o Africa IMO when it comes to history/civilization: Horn of Africa > Berberia That MCA money makes me ashamed to be Egyptian. We get around $2 BN a year with our corrupt government and these 16 nations poorer than us and with actual good transparent governments have to split only $1 bn a year and they still do more with it than us!
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Post by Dean on Aug 5, 2005 18:40:24 GMT -5
I'm Greek paternally and I haven't taken any genetic tests yet, though I think it would be neat to do it one day.[/quote] If you are ever interested, DNA Heritage is offering the Y DNA SNP test, a more-refined test than previous Y DNA test. This test can show you to which subhaplogroup you belong. They are offering the test for $99 U.S. dollars--a reasonable price. dnaheritage.com/ysnp.aspThere is a web site for Greek population genetics which you can join and enter your Y DNA result. www.greekdnaproject.netSorry about going off-topic. I'll leave it at this.
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Post by Soomaal on Aug 6, 2005 16:04:30 GMT -5
First I don't care about Egypt, the money is meant to crack down on Islamic militants on not to improve living standards. And by that strengting the position of the despotic dictatorship. And no it isn't begging, this is begging: I said that I didn't want to rub it in your face but you leave me no choice. Morocco has written off all debts of Africa's poorest countries way before Europe and the US where thinking of it. www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/000404/2000040496.htmlAnd Morocco is one of the first and few that is aiding famine struck Niger Mohammed VI and Niger President Mamadou Tandja will visit a makeshift hospital opened by Morocco on July 9 at Maradi in central eastern Niger, one of the eight regions hardest hit by the famine which mainly affects women and small children.
Morocco has shipped more than 170 tonnes of humanitarian assistance to Niger including 100 tonnes of rice, 55 tonnes of milk powder, 20 tonnes of pasta and 15 tonnes of medical drugs, which will be distributed to the needy for free, the Niger government said.
Moroccan diplomats said Rabat had also granted 1,000 tonnes of fertilizers to Niger farmers. www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/ACIO-6EFRGA?OpenDocumentMorocco has established a field hospital in the city of Madadi, in Niger, approximately 550 km south-east of Niamey in order to assist the famine struck people in Niger. The hospital includes a team of a few specialized doctors and about sixty male nurses. www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Morocco/186298Off coure I wont say that North Africa is a fully developed industrial region comparoble to Europe or Japan but to compare it with Sub Saharen Africa is laughable. Whats the point of showing people in a less fortunate state, I am sure I can find some Morrocan Berbers begging for food, but then I would be like you. Ya sharmoot.
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Post by Soomaal on Aug 7, 2005 2:12:49 GMT -5
Whats the point of showing people in a less fortunate state, I am sure I can find some Morrocan Berbers begging for food, but then I would be like you. Ya sharmoot. You are right, you can find SOME Berbers begging for food just like you can find SOME French, Japanese, Malays, Argentinians begging for food. But you'll never find Berber villages waiting for a helicopter to drop a bag of rice and beans. As I said I didn't want to go any deeper in the subject but your Somali smart ass friend had to post the article about Morocco (like Armenia, Georgia, Sri lanka)competing for American investments. He's intention was clearly to put my nation is a bad daylight. I just confronted him with the harch reality of his own Nation. I don't need to bad daylight on your country, if it has people like you as citizens, you have already put a bad daylight on it. Reality is Morroco isn't no G8 country....
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Post by Bryce on Aug 7, 2005 10:04:26 GMT -5
[...] people are the same in france, same mentallity, they're not really sharp and separate groups in france, bellicose with each others, like in usa where people of different groups have their own "propaganda" to discuss/claim, here in france everybody is subjucated to the same propaganda : "fear the maghrebis !" héhé. Fear is justified, they practice sorcery and eat man-flesh. All wittiness set aside, here is a little yarn: A few years ago, I was listening to the radio, following a thematic info-program, that happened to be, that particular evening, about the reactions of deep France's locals to the passage and temporary residing of a group of Gypsies (who were French nationals, by the way), in one of these semi-rural areas, with tilled and fallow fields, small factories, a few clerical jobs, hamlets and villages, not too far from bigger towns. The background is set. And these locals' comments about the Gypsies were most interesting: stories about vanishing pets, evaporation of fruit and vegetables in fields or orchards, of garments drying on clothes-lines, about stolen bicycles, motorcycles, cars, etc. Some of the interviewed people had an obvious Maghrebi accent, and their comments are worth to be reported: (Quotations are not absolutely word-for-word exact, but are valid) "They stole a friend's dog to eat it, they eat dogs and cats, I tell you!" "I heard that a dog's head were found recently not far from their camp, if you don't call that a proof!" "They don't know the meaning of work". "They never shower and carry diseases." "Always lurking around." "I don't say I have a proof of that, but if I learnt that they eat human flesh, I wouldn't be surprised at all." (Rumble of approving comments). etc. The journalist told them that he heard from their accent that they were Maghrebis, that they had certainly underwent racism, didn't they think that their ideas about Gypsies were extreme? No, they didn't think so because they were hard-working decent people, not stealing vagrants, and they had the right to criticize whom they wanted, contrarily to certain privileged people who had pampered lives and didn't know what it is to have to deal with rascals. Conclusions: 1) Everyone can always find someone to fear and despise. 2) They were right about the worthless moral lessons given by a certain "elite" (the Bo-Bos). OK, I'm diverging from "Fear of black planet", but Amksa's post suddenly reminded me of this anecdote. Moderators, feel free to re-direct my post or to erase it.
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Post by Soomaal on Aug 7, 2005 15:12:20 GMT -5
Whats the point of showing people in a less fortunate state, I am sure I can find some Morrocan Berbers begging for food, but then I would be like you. Ya sharmoot. walaal sharma'rkow soon enough he will get a response from me that will squash his arrogance for good, just like the real Atlantis, his stories will turn out to be a big myth. Fine you karbaash him.
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