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Post by rig on May 22, 2004 22:38:35 GMT -5
Physical Characteristics Many people are surprised to find the physical characteristics running in their family, indicate they are descendents of Native Americans. At this point I usually have someone who accuses me of perpetuating stereotypes of Native Americans. Well, the characteristics I will mention are all based on medical studies. A little research is all that is needed if someone is interested in the facts behind them. High cheekbones where glasses set high on the face and get all smeary on the bottom of the lens. Almond shaped almost oriental looking eyes? Lazy eyes in children. Heavy "fat" eyelids where the eyelid appears to have an extra fold. A melanin (pigmentation) in the back of the eye on the retina peculiar to Native Americans. "Shovel" teeth, the teeth have a ledge on the backside. Run your tongue across them, they feel almost like a shovel shape. Large front teeth with a slight or more than slight gap. Lack of the Carrabelli cusp on the maxillary first molars, which is missing in Native Americans. Large heavy earlobes. Crooked fingers particularly the little finger or pinky. An inverted breastbone. Often called a Chicken Breast. The bone actually makes an indentation in the chest. Little toes that lie under the next one. A second toe longer than the big toe. A wider space between the big toe and second one. An extra ridge of bone along the outside of the foot. --- members.tripod.com/~imblackeagle/looks1.htm(Native American genealogy Forum). genforum.genealogy.com/ai/messages/17326.html |
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Post by Graeme on May 23, 2004 9:25:07 GMT -5
I have checked up your links and found a lot of descriptions of Native American traits, but no photographs or illustrations. I like to actually see the feet and hand traits. Native Americans have very stiff straight hair, very black, rarely greys and baldness is rare. You mentioned Carabelli's cusp. That is very obscure and not many people outside of dentists would know about that. Even in Europeans it is not universal and it is considered a primitive or archaic trait, a hangover from the Cro Magnons.
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Post by Rig on May 23, 2004 11:26:18 GMT -5
Yeah I was hoping to find some pictures illustrating these traits. Such as "shovel" teeth, I think a few of my front teeth upper & lower have this trait (a ledge on the back side), which could mean I have Native American ancestry? (being half Jamaican), but I'd really need a diagram to contrast the different between "shovel" teeth and "normal" teeth. Same goes with the other traits. I'll see what I can find anyway.
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Post by murphee on May 23, 2004 12:02:09 GMT -5
There is an Amerindian trait that I am personally familiar with. My husband has French, English and Irish ancestry with a small amount of Amerindian ancestry. A moustache and goatee are a full beard for him. He has no facial hair growing near or below the ears or anywhere except near the area around his mouth. Also, very little body hair, almost nothing on the chest.
His general appearance corresponds with what he is: European Caucasoid with Amerindian admixture.
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Post by rig on May 23, 2004 19:51:27 GMT -5
There is an Amerindian trait that I am personally familiar with. My husband has French, English and Irish ancestry with a small amount of Amerindian ancestry. A moustache and goatee are a full beard for him. He has no facial hair growing near or below the ears or anywhere except near the area around his mouth. Also, very little body hair, almost nothing on the chest. His general appearance corresponds with what he is: European Caucasoid with Amerindian admixture. sounds just like me. I seriously lack body hair & facial hair. I don't have hair under my chin either, although my brothers do. All I have is hair on my scalp, moustache & goatee (and that grows really slow, so I don't have to shave often). Or could this just be West African characteristics  |
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Post by Graeme on May 24, 2004 10:09:08 GMT -5
Negroes are less hairy than caucasians, but the East Asians are the least hairy. The NA hairlessness seems to be something inherited from their Asiatic forebears.
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Post by izabet on Jun 22, 2004 21:42:55 GMT -5
I just posted the same info in another thread...oops. What are shovel teeth anyway? I can't seem to find a good answer either.
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Post by Agrippa on Jun 23, 2004 9:42:43 GMT -5
Maybe this helps:  www.uic.edu/classes/orla/orla312/VariationInToothMorphology.htmThere are differences in male hairiness not just between races, but between subraces (f.e. Nordid vs Armenid) as well. Furthermore their are differences because of the body type (f.e. Leptosomic-lean vs. Pyknish-round) and of the sex type and hormones in general. Hypertrichosis and androgenetic Alopecia (extreme hairiness and baldness) are more common in hypermasculine types. Usually males with low male hormone levels like Klinefelters (yxx-defect) have a very scanty beard. Usually very strong masculine Mongolids of East Asia have a stronger beard than the average f.e. |
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Post by Graeme on Jun 24, 2004 10:20:42 GMT -5
East Asians even the most masculine of the men grow rather pathetic beards. Body hairiness is very variable among Europeans. Here in Australia the Anglo and Irish Australians vary from having just hair in the minimal places to being ape-like in hair intensity. I mean everyone supposedly has the same amount of hairs, but in some people it never develops past vellus stage and in others it is thick and pigmented. Blond women, true blonds, tend to be covered in vellus, which usually can't be seen except when light passes through it as in profiles with the sunlight from the background. East Asian women often lack pubic hair and axillary hair quite naturally and never have to shave legs like caucasian women often do. East Asians have a reasonable rate of baldness, so in their case it has nothing to do with hypermasculinity. Greying of hair is very late in life unlike in caucasians when it can start in the 30s. I cannot speak about native Americans as I have never seen many even when I lived in the USA.
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Post by Agrippa on Jun 24, 2004 11:15:16 GMT -5
It is always a combination like every individual is a combination of type categories (f.e. Nordid-Leptosomic-strong masculine etc.)
I think most East Asians with baldness are Pyknish round build types.
Real Amerindians often have less beard than the most East Asians.
Mostly mixed ones have significant hairiness-beard.
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 24, 2004 17:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by Faelcind on Sept 20, 2004 3:04:23 GMT -5
Interesting a second toe the same size or longer then the first is has also been proposed as celtic trait, it's also shared by all the irish and scottish members of my family. Interestingly in general extension of the middle digits of the foot is running adaption. I have the celtic toe size 13 feet and can run a 4.4-5 forty meter dash.
Here is a couple links talking about the celtic foot.
[ftp]http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/beth/scottish_genealogy.htm[/ftp]
[ftp]http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:vZvWPCcJGsEJ:www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n6_v17/ai_18289437+%22Celtic+foot%22+Phyllis+Jackson&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&strip=1[/ftp]
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Post by gbloco on Sept 20, 2004 3:21:00 GMT -5
It is always a combination like every individual is a combination of type categories (f.e. Nordid-Leptosomic-strong masculine etc.) I think most East Asians with baldness are Pyknish round build types. Real Amerindians often have less beard than the most East Asians. Mostly mixed ones have significant hairiness-beard. even castizos have relatively little facial hair. also a half asian friend of mine has no body hair at all -- it definitely looks like a dominant gene amerind woman: no hips no bum no waist very dark nipples and pudenda (this even shows up in quite light castizas) |
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Post by Faelcind on Sept 20, 2004 3:43:58 GMT -5
A lot of west coast indians Califnornia to alaska have significant facial hair. Its a charecteristic that varies across the two continents. The one generalization is that Amerindians like East asians are less hirsute then europeans.
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Post by vela on Sept 20, 2004 22:24:00 GMT -5
> Little toes that lie under the next one. A second toe longer than the big toe. A wider space between the big toe and second one. An extra ridge of bone along the outside of the foot. l Check the feet of Tarascan women from Michoacan, Mexico in the link below. www.azteca.net/aztec/prehisp/purepec2.htmlI don't see those traits mentioned in the above quote. Maybe it applies to certain tribes only? |
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