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Post by buddy on Jan 23, 2006 2:12:05 GMT -5
^Interesting observations. What I've noticed is that WASPs seem to have more hang-ups regarding interracial relationships, though this may not be entirely accurate on my part. Still, there's also no doubt that many ethnic whites express reservations regarding interracial relationships as well. Personally I'm certainly not against it, and I believe that people should be free to date who they wish, though I would probably be more comfortable with a white woman. Still, that's not to say that I'd never consider the possibilities. I hope that made sense hehe.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 23, 2006 2:18:40 GMT -5
It seems the "Purer" the white guy the more ethnic the woman he will date. Dolph Lundgren/Grace Jones comes to mind. Venus and Serena Williams both dated blonde Swedes. Lots of Norwegian/Danish guys dig black American women for some reason. White Australian blonde women love black dudes.
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Post by buddy on Jan 23, 2006 2:45:38 GMT -5
^I didn't know any of that, I guess you learn something new everyday. Maybe it's just people from certain very conservative locales, such as the American South or Midwest, who are less inclined to date/marry interracially.
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Post by Josh on Jan 23, 2006 3:27:06 GMT -5
At the same time, I suspect that mixed race couples would be less accepted in Southern Europe than they would in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or refute this?
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Post by nockwasright on Jan 23, 2006 6:26:59 GMT -5
At the same time, I suspect that mixed race couples would be less accepted in Southern Europe than they would in Northern Europe. Can anyone confirm or refute this? Mixed couples are almost non existent in Italy now. The immigration from Africa is too recent, Africans who come here in their twenties are not gonna get some for obvious social reasons. Btw they have their own women from the homeland. I guess it's the same in Spain and Greece. Eastern Europe is still all white. You start now to see some teenager mixed couple as we are having the first African Italian (schooled here, speak Italian), that's all for now. The African community is still so small that all the Italian schooled Africans will likely mate with Italians. I guess in Northern Europe the situation is in a much more "advanced" stage (not meaning is good. Nor bad. Just we will be there in 20 years).
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 23, 2006 16:03:49 GMT -5
Isn't there a 1/2 African Italian soap star? she's really cute, too.
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Post by Jack Reed on Jan 23, 2006 20:26:42 GMT -5
^I didn't know any of that, I guess you learn something new everyday. Maybe it's just people from certain very conservative locales, such as the American South or Midwest, who are less inclined to date/marry interracially. You can say the same thing about some Sicilian neighborhoods in the Northeast. Some of those places are like Mississippi in 1965. Maybe "Do The Right Thing" and "Jungle Fever" were hype, though. You know how Hollywood is.
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Post by durnisi on Jan 23, 2006 21:01:11 GMT -5
Like in alot of places, some Italians are intrigued and turned on by the "exotic" be it Slavic blondes or Africans.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 23, 2006 21:58:01 GMT -5
^I didn't know any of that, I guess you learn something new everyday. Maybe it's just people from certain very conservative locales, such as the American South or Midwest, who are less inclined to date/marry interracially. You can say the same thing about some Sicilian neighborhoods in the Northeast. Some of those places are like Mississippi in 1965. Maybe "Do The Right Thing" and "Jungle Fever" were hype, though. You know how Hollywood is. Sicilians don't have neighborhoods in the Northeast. They would be living in Italian neighborhoods. I suppose the most infamous would be Howard Beach, which is the least like any other Italian neighborhood in New York- upper middle class. But no surprise in a New York sense. Scorcese makes a go at it in "Gangs of New York." The us against them mentality exists everywhere. Until we drop it, that is. Spike has it down because he was there, but so were 8 million other people. Summer of Sam captures 1977 like nothing else. Also A Bronx Tale.
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Post by buddy on Jan 23, 2006 22:34:20 GMT -5
I thought the most infamous New York Italian-American neighborhood was Bensonhurst, where a black youth was killed. I don't know much about the background behind the killing, but I do remember reading about it somewhere.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 23, 2006 22:39:22 GMT -5
I thought the most infamous New York Italian-American neighborhood was Bensonhurst, where a black youth was killed. I don't know much about the background behind the killing, but I do remember reading about it somewhere. The Bensonhurst thing happened in the wake of Howard Beach. About a Black kid and an Italian girl who innocently fell in love, ending in the brutal death of the Black kid. God, that was so long ago.
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Post by Jack Reed on Jan 24, 2006 1:14:22 GMT -5
You can say the same thing about some Sicilian neighborhoods in the Northeast. Some of those places are like Mississippi in 1965. Maybe "Do The Right Thing" and "Jungle Fever" were hype, though. You know how Hollywood is. Sicilians don't have neighborhoods in the Northeast. They would be living in Italian neighborhoods. I suppose the most infamous would be Howard Beach, which is the least like any other Italian neighborhood in New York- upper middle class. But no surprise in a New York sense. Scorcese makes a go at it in "Gangs of New York." The us against them mentality exists everywhere. Until we drop it, that is. Spike has it down because he was there, but so were 8 million other people. Summer of Sam captures 1977 like nothing else. Also A Bronx Tale. Aren't there neighborhoods in which most of the residents are of Sicilian descent? All Sicilians are Italian. I always heard that the older Sicilians didn't like it when other Sicilians married people of another race or religion. The younger generation is much less clannish.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 24, 2006 1:23:06 GMT -5
I've seen Italian families easily accept mulatto women b/c they tend to blend in a bit more. There is a chain of shops here owned by an Italian family. 2 of the brothers have mulatto wives. Their kids look like regular Italian. One of the boys has bright green eyes and light hair and a Romanesque nose.
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Post by buddy on Jan 24, 2006 2:05:55 GMT -5
Sicilians don't have neighborhoods in the Northeast. They would be living in Italian neighborhoods. I suppose the most infamous would be Howard Beach, which is the least like any other Italian neighborhood in New York- upper middle class. But no surprise in a New York sense. Scorcese makes a go at it in "Gangs of New York." The us against them mentality exists everywhere. Until we drop it, that is. Spike has it down because he was there, but so were 8 million other people. Summer of Sam captures 1977 like nothing else. Also A Bronx Tale. Aren't there neighborhoods in which most of the residents are of Sicilian descent? All Sicilians are Italian. I always heard that the older Sicilians didn't like it when other Sicilians married people of another race or religion. The younger generation is much less clannish. Jack, My paternal grandparents (the Sicilian side) were certainly not intolerant of other groups, but when it came to marriage, they would've had issues if someone in the family had brought home a black or Asian person (Asian b/c my grandfather fought in WWII). It's just that they came from a very conservative era compared to modern times, thus they were much more traditional. In fact, all four of my grandparents held basically the same attitudes. They just preferred sons/daughters in-law to be white Catholics. They never cared about ethnicity as much, just race/religion mainly. In fact, all of my parents' siblings (including my parents themselves) married spouses of other European ethnicities. My paternal cousins are all Sicilian/Irish/German, and my maternal cousins are the mix my mother's family has (N. Italian, Irish/English, French, and German) along with Italian and Irish fathers (both of my parents only have sisters for siblings). I guarantee that nobody would've ever been disowned had they married someone of another racial/religious group (which has sadly been the case for some families), but my grandparents would've definitely disapproved of the relationship.
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Post by CCC on Jan 24, 2006 10:48:11 GMT -5
Its seems that we are lumping Italians and Italian Americans into the same category, and are failing to point out that an Italian raised in Naples (which is at least 98% Italian; and has very little exposure to other ethnicities) is going to have different views on race than say an Italian American raised in an ethnically diverse, but also ethnically segregated by neighborhood, borough like the Bronx.
Funny thing is many of my African American female friends say that European men in general be they (Italian, Swiss, or Danish) from Europe treat them better than anyone else. It maybe its because they're perceived as exotic; whatever the case may be more and more (especially the professionally successful ones) are starting to head across the pond to find potential dating partners; whereas before they were the group least likely to date outside of their "race".
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