ezra
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Post by ezra on Dec 25, 2005 7:39:52 GMT -5
I am Ezra who have written the Bible.
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Post by ezra on Dec 25, 2005 8:23:47 GMT -5
Hmm not really sure how to make any of this out or to make sense of it really. The Azeri pretty much live in the Northwest of Iran. There are other Turkic groups in Iran as well like the Qashqai and Turkmen. Like many Turkic groups, whatever group that lived there before the arrival of Turkic populations was simply Turkified. This is why Turkic speakers tend to look very much like their neighbors. Many Qashqai actually look very European. Actually much of Iranian Azerbaijan tended to be more loyal or sympathetic to the old Empire. I found this on Qashqais on oslonor blog: Are Qashqais Azeris?:Azeris claim Qashqai tribes in Fars province are Azeris and they speak a dialect of Azeri language. Wikepedia confirms these claims too. Actually Qashqaii tribes have nothing to do with Azeris. They are a tribe of Persians and local Turks who have adopted a turkish language. Many of them look Persian but speak a turkish language unrelated to Azeri language. In addition to Qashqaiis, Azeris claim that Bakhtiaris tribes have immigrated to Persia from Lebanon and they are somehow related to Azeris. To make things even more confused Wikepedia claims that nationalist Prime minister. Mossadeq was a Persian Bakhtiary. Actually Mr. Mossadeq was an Azeri belonging to Qajar dynasty. Also Wikepedia claims that Shirin Ebadi the Nobel Prize Winner is Persian. Actually she is a famous Azeri. All these claims are attempts to make the line of demarcation between a Persian and an Azeri unclear and support Azeri theories about some mythical Iranian race that they are a member of.
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Post by attis on Dec 25, 2005 16:10:46 GMT -5
Qashqai is close to Azeri, but remember all Turkic languages are very closely related to each other anyway. I would say Turkic has a time depth less than Indo-European (especially if we exclude the Bolgar branch of Turkic - one language today Chuvash).
Yes, many prominent Iranians are Turkic, the aforementioned Qajars. As I said before much of the old nobility was Turkic. The present Pahlavi dynasty was the return of an Iranian family ruling Iran from years of non-Iranian dynasties (maybe since the Sassanids?). Although, the Qajars had been totally Iranofied.
Turkic is one of those language families which seems to be great at assimilating neighboring populations. For example, the Indo-European Tocharians eventually stopped speaking Tocharian and went to speaking Uighur eventually. The Turkmens once spoke an Iranian language etc.
Persian language and culture has very high prestige so it is no surprise that the former Turkic rulers became Persians in culture.
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Post by vgambler33 on Dec 26, 2005 0:37:48 GMT -5
From osloner website
The people who are writing that Persians are mixed with Africans and Arabs have certainly an agenda that they consistently pursue. Despite that they know these claims are not true, they try to create the conditions to make it true.
Recently some African American guy has started appearing on a Rangarang Iranian Satelite TV broadcast from Virginia in US claiming that his mother is Persian and his name is "Tehran" and he speaks a few words of Persian.
It is obvious that some sponsors have paid for teaching this guy a few Persian words and the same sponsors are paying 20.000 dollars a month for satelite broadcast costs.
Mr. Tehran claims that his mother is Persian is obviously not true as Mr. Tehran speaks with African American accent and he also displays African American getto culture. It is a mystery how his Persian mother has taught him not only to speak with African American accent but also have taught him to have African American culture. After a few weeks Mr. Tehran found out about these problems so he switched to claiming his father is Persian and his mother is an african american. Mr. Tehran constantly talks about himself as "We Persians" with his african american accent and his black getto manners.
Now what is the purpose of this program? This program targets mostly young Iranian girls residing in US. The main purpose is to get into contact with these girls and introduce them to Mr. Tehran's African American friends. Mr. Tehran is constantly talking about the advantages of multi-racial marriages specially with his African American friends. Mr. Tehran states that all Iranian girls are very anxious to meet his buddies such as Khalid and Omar and Jabbar etc.
Also you should note that African Americans in general are heavily invovled in drug culture and criminality. In other words introducing african americans to Iranian girls leads to both the drug culture and criminality for the Iranian girls. It will also connect these girls to the American Court System and Law Enforcement agencies and police. Many African Americans work as police informers and the police uses them to extend their control over the population in US. Multiculturalist agenda for Iranians is that Iranians are mixed with Africans and this TV program is going to be the proof. Iranians do not mind if an Iranian girl on a voluntary basis marries an african american or whoever they want to marry. But this is an organized attempt for blackmail and financed by people with a racist political agenda.
Persians are going to be used for improving African-American race. At the same time Persians are going to be reduced from a mainstream white Persian-American citizens to a Persian-African minority. This creates Persians as an ethnic minority and in need of Jewish liberals in the democratic party in US to gain access to jobs and social positions as African-Americans are dependent today.
The people who sponsor and pay for this program, try to get as many blond Russians to immigrate to Israel as possible. Currently US is condemning Israel for sex slavery from Russia and Eastern Europe where Russians girls have been deceived and taken to Israel by force.
If this was not proof enough, then our Hollywood friends are spending money on producing a film about a few thousand Iranians who are of African origin and live in the port city of Bushehr in southern Iran who was brought to Iran in 15 century by Portugese from Zanzibar in East Africa. This film is going to prove definitely that Iranians are of African origin.
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Post by wadad on Dec 26, 2005 1:29:20 GMT -5
favourite paragraph:
"Persians are going to be used for improving African-American race. At the same time Persians are going to be reduced from a mainstream white Persian-American citizens to a Persian-African minority. This creates Persians as an ethnic minority and in need of Jewish liberals in the democratic party in US to gain access to jobs and social positions as African-Americans are dependent today."
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Post by nordicyouth on Dec 26, 2005 1:49:54 GMT -5
Wow. Some stupidity going on here...
Persians are not a minority in Iran, they are 60%. I know Iranians, and they are all Persian, save for a few Iranian Kurds or mixes of that sort. The Persians wanted the Azeri territory, and once they acquired it, the Azeris have been living there for centuries under Persian rule.
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