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Post by Caipira on Mar 27, 2004 22:39:28 GMT -5
I know that things are getting bad again in Serbia... I saw new conflicts on T.V. last week...
About the anti-slavism in Europe...
I can say that anti-slavism is a reality in Brazil. Not in all country, since we don´t have an expressive slav population here, but in southern states, we have, specially in Parana. There are plenty Russian, Ukranian, Serbian and Polish descents over there. In certain cities, like Prudentópolis, slavs are more than 90% of resident population...
Non-slavs there, use to call all slavs as "Polaks". It´s comon there, saying that they´re "pale negroes", I mean, in Parana people use to say that "Polaks", even being pale, with blue eyes and blonde hair, show all "nigger" features in their personality, as "lazyness".
In fact, "Polaks" are not integrated to Brazilian society, keeping, in several cases, their own lenguages. Rarely they marry outside their ethnic groups, and rarely they have a good social situation (I mean, mostly slavs in Brazil are poor).
Unfortunally, people use to have some dumb ideas, thinking that "Polaks" alredy born "lazy", as blacks. A huge confusion between biological race and culture. It´s comon in Brazil, and all over the world, thinking that physicall features produce moral traids. This idea is simple wrong.
Physicall features can be socially conditioned to produce certain moral traids, but I really do not think that "lazyness" is part of the slavic culture. I just see a culture having troubles to integrate itself into a diferent one... Not just here, in Brazil, but in Argentina and European countries, as Portugal (where we can find a lot of Ukranian homeless), France (there´s a substancial number of Latvian baggers in Pairs) and so on...
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Post by supergirl on Mar 28, 2004 12:30:34 GMT -5
I read AWARS post with sadness...how come people can be proud of things they had absolutely no hand in like what race ,nation or religion they are born in..all I can say loud I am half slav and half arab and there is nothing wrong with me ..dislikeing anyone for "those"reasons its shamefull ,ignorant and patetic.. long live all slavs and all the other nations of this beatifull place called earth..PEACEEE..  |
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Post by berschneider on Apr 8, 2004 15:04:12 GMT -5
Europe's Dirty Secret by Rick Rozoff (3-27-00) [Note - the following is excerpted from a most thought-provoking email note that Mr. Rozoff sent to friends on the Internet.] www.tenc.net -skip - --RR ( thanks to LG for the link ) I think Rick Rozoff’s article is not entirely accurate. It may reflect very acute Russophobia in the US which has deep roots. Also, when it comes to Russia there is a great deal of exaggeration as Rozoff’s piece testifies. Soviet population losses, most of them civilian, were about 20 million if pre-war and post war census results are compared. Russia’s share of losses is 4.2 million, much lower proportion than Germany’s losses. In 1989-1991 Russian people managed to free themselves from the Communism. Comparable to Soviet Communism other empires – such as the Third Reich did not dissolve themselves voluntarily but had to be crushed by outsiders. Peaceful and orderly transformation that took place in Russia is remarkable. For example, I don't think Americans have the good sense to dismantle their Evil Empire voluntarily before it's too late. While male longevity in Russia hit bottom in 1993, it has been on the rise ever since and post Soviet income doubled. If I take Russia, its price adjusted per capita is now at 9,700 dollars (GDP purchasing power parity - $9,700 (2002 est.) www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rs.html), and is not evenly spread throughout the country. Per capita income in Moscow, where I often work, is almost 18,000, it is higher than of any new EU member. This is also remarkable. As of Serbia. The civil war and dismemberment of Yugoslavia was a US project from the go on (unfortunately German foreign ministry assisted the Evil Empire in many areas and was an accessory to American crimes). US-led NATO aggression against Yugoslavia was however an all American thing like the apple pie or their milk goat (chevrolet?) |
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Post by berschneider on Apr 8, 2004 15:07:21 GMT -5
To fully and correctly understand European anti-slavism one must also be aware of the slavic doctrine of Panslavism. And we shouldnt forget that communism, the most anti-human, totalitarian materialistic political creation yet, flourished and reached its peak* in fully slavic territories.... However, actions against slavic countries like Serbia in our days, are unacceptable. *this is up to question as North Korea and China may have gone even further. This is an incredibly stupid thing to say. It is same as to claim that American Arabophobia is caused by Baathist legacy in Syria. Panslavism is an indirect by-product of German national movement of the mid 19 century. Panslavism is a very recent (second of the 19 century) and long dead phenomenon. |
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Post by berschneider on Apr 8, 2004 15:09:36 GMT -5
I know that things are getting bad again in Serbia... I saw new conflicts on T.V. last week... About the anti-slavism in Europe... France (there´s a substancial number of Latvian baggers in Pairs) and so on... Are Latvians Slavic? |
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Post by berschneider on Apr 8, 2004 15:13:16 GMT -5
Obviously you are talking about people who know what Slav, Slavic mean. You would be surprised how the average punter would not know. exterminate them. I think as a group they are quite safe. anti-Slavic sentiment - at least when to comes to Russians - it's a 20 th century phenomenon. As of West and East, although the piece is about Poland and not Russia, here is a great essay by Norman Davies, a brilliant modern British historian: dspace.dial.pipex.com/mbloy/westciv/westciv.htm |
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Post by berschneider on Apr 8, 2004 15:14:59 GMT -5
As a citizen of the United States, I have been very aware that Europe has always had a lot of strife and divisions along national, ethnic and racial lines. I wonder about the future; it doesn't seem unlikely to me that these simmering animosities will break out into a full-scale continental war by 2050. I am not sure United States will still be around when that happens |
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Post by berschneider on Apr 8, 2004 15:23:42 GMT -5
it's wierd. If you look today, all the poor countries are Orthodox (except for Greece, but even them are poor compared to the EU members) GDP - per capita for some countries 2002 (from CIA world fact book) Croatia $9,800 Serbia $2,200  (didn't know it was this bad) Hungary $13,300 Romania $7,600 Poland $9,700 Ukraine $4,500 Lithuania $8,400 Greece $19,100 (EU) Slovenia $19,200 (non Eu) Geographic location and history play a role. Russia underwent 80 years of political tyranny and is undergoing painful structural reforms. Russia is located in adverse climate and has poor access to ports. In 2002 Russian per capita adjusted income was USD 9700 (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rs.html) according to CIA factbook Russia is traditionally Orthodox. Haiti is compact, free since 18 century, located in advantageous climate, has excellent access to sea routes and is close to such major market as the United States. GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $1,400 (2002 est.) (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ha.html) Much, much less this year. Haiti is Catholic. Any reflections here on economic advantages / disadvantages of Orthodoxy versus Papism? |
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Post by plus on Apr 10, 2004 4:47:49 GMT -5
And we shouldnt forget that communism, the most anti-human, totalitarian materialistic political creation yet, flourished and reached its peak* in fully slavic territories.... What is meant by this? That unlearned people will equate communism with Slavic people, hence breeding a feeling of anti-Slavicism. Or are you yourself trying to inferr that communism "flourished" within the Slavic world due to the nature of it's people? "Flourished" is totally the wrong word... replace it with "enforced". Stalin said that trying to enforce communism in Poland is like fitting a saddle to a cow. |
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Post by AWAR on Apr 10, 2004 8:55:53 GMT -5
What is meant by this? That unlearned people will equate communism with Slavic people, hence breeding a feeling of anti-Slavicism. Or are you yourself trying to inferr that communism "flourished" within the Slavic world due to the nature of it's people? Yep, that's what he was trying to say  |
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Sept 16, 2004 18:21:49 GMT -5
That Icelander is an idiot. Gdansk started off as a Prussian settlement, and these were a Baltic people completely unrelated to the German concept of Prussia. It became a Polish city before it was ever German. The real Prussians became extinct by a process of Germanization. As for Pommern... Pomorze is in fact the original Slavic word for the area and Pommern is merely a German interpretation of it. Pomorze literally means "by the sea" in Polish. Slavs were the first people to permanently settle that area. History of Gdansk: www.inyourpocket.com/poland/en/category?cid=3132 Sorry, but Gdansk started out as a Slavic Pomeranian settlement, not a Baltic Prussian one. wolnapolska.boom.ru/index-Gdansk.html |
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(didn't know it was this bad)
