Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #60 on Feb 4, 2006, 4:21pm »
I would like to see all European countries organize protest and burn copies of the Quran to show solidarity with the Danish government and people. I think the U.S. Canada and Australia should do this as well.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #61 on Feb 4, 2006, 4:22pm »
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It was just an example, Jeez. If we're talking about political correctness and freedom of speech, it doesn't matter which controversial issue we're arguing.
Obviously it was an example. And it was a bad example. You were trying to make an analogy, which just didn't fly. If the subject at hand is religion, then why don't you bring up Judaism?
When you talk about "controversial issues", you presuppose that the issues are inherently controversial. While it's because we're are talking about this in the first place, that the issue is considered controversial.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #63 on Feb 4, 2006, 5:16pm »
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1- their explanation seems "pushed"
I can't say anything about that. You have the right to that opinion. I was just relating to you what they have officially said.
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btw, questioning the holcust is ilegal in many European countries, no? where is freedom of expresion?
"Questioning" the Holocaust, per se, is not illegal. Denying the Holocaust is. Tell me, what exactly does a Holocaust denier want to express?
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now don't reply with how they make fun of jesus also or some muslims replied wrongly, we already eastablished that
anyways, things seem to be heading to the worse
I agree. Some of these reactions are counter-productive for the Muslim community. All they are doing is fuming the flames and turning Europeans against them, and at the same time they are validating the point the paper was trying to make in the first place.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #64 on Feb 4, 2006, 5:20pm »
Making fun of Mohamed is good for the muslim world, these "offenses" will be repeated on and on untill muslims see it as something normal, the same thing happened with christians. So it's useless to whine, you will be assimilated.
I will tell you why muslims do not like mockery, they think that God is capabale of anything and therefore he'll punish those who mock him, but what happens? nothing, I'll tell you a story (you can believe or not, I don't care):
I was in high school and I was mocking Islam, my friends were not offensed but they were afraid for my "life", they thought God will punish me with some meteorite (yessakhtak rabbi), they also feared for their life because they thought they will die with me, they were repeating "staghfiroullah" "you don't know what you are saying", to prove them that their beliefs are bullshit, I wrote a coranic verse on a sheet of paper, and I asked what will happen if I pee on it.. all of them thought that I will be "maskhot", I did it and all were surprised that nothing happened to me, in the end, all of them had their faith dimunished and one joined me in "infidelity" (kofr).
Needless to say I did this during the era of terrorism, the masses were so weak and so coward, they feared people who were islamists, and they feared people where ant-islamist, I used to smoke during ramadhan in front of all of them, no reactions, all cowards, but now, If I go back to that shithole country and do the same thing, I'll get beheaded by these same cowards.
Muslims whine and react with violence because they doubt, they do not want to accept reality, I thank the danish newspaper and all the euopean newspapers who re-published those drawings, The number of mortads (apostates) will increase very quickly.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #65 on Feb 4, 2006, 5:27pm »
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I agree. Some of these reactions are counter-productive for the Muslim community.
It is positive for the european countries, islam will be revealed by muslims themselves, al-hamdullah, I thought there was no hope for europe, but now I have become optimist.
It is postive for the muslim world since they see that their Allah is capable of nothing and can't do anything, their faith will get weak, islamists will have strong influence but not for long.
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Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #66 on Feb 4, 2006, 5:46pm »
Igu you live in France now?
as sad as it is, it's not rare at all to hear people swearing at god or religion in Arabic countries in the street (tough guy swears ) and no action like this would be taken against them..
I don't know in the maghrib countries, you are far from all the tension in the region, but here the people in general are fed up with many things ranging from regional wars to poverty.
many people seem fed up in general and just want to revolt at any given chance or something
in Syria for example we are surrounded by trouble. (iraq, Palestine) recent problem with Lebanon, and recent tension against Iran
about your theory about reverse effect this can be true, but I see a notable increase in religious people as well (maybe more than non religious)
nymos I was saying there are things that need to be regulated
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #67 on Feb 4, 2006, 5:53pm »
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Obviously it was an example. And it was a bad example. You were trying to make an analogy, which just didn't fly. If the subject at hand is religion, then why don't you bring up Judaism?
Why does it matter? I didn't say the subjects were equally controversial or anything like that.
I didn't bring up Judaism as my point wasn't about critique of certain religions, but about freedom of speech.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #68 on Feb 4, 2006, 6:05pm »
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Igu you live in France now?
as sad as it is, it's not rare at all to hear people swearing at god or religion in Arabic countries in the street (tough guy swears ) and no action like this would be taken against them..
I don't know in the maghrib countries, you are far from all the tension in the region, but here the people in general are fed up with many things ranging from regional wars to poverty.
many people seem fed up in general and just want to revolt at any given chance or something
in Syria for example we are surrounded by trouble. (iraq, Palestine) recent problem with Lebanon, and recent tension against Iran
about your theory about reverse effect this can be true, but I see a notable increase in religious people as well (maybe more than non religious)
nymos I was saying there are things that need to be regulated
-I am living living in an english speaking country, but currently I'm not there, I have some things to do in some other areas of europe (my holidays were mostly in Algeria).
-In Algeria, the angriest insult is against god or religion, it's no different from syria, and we had similar problems as yours, but at that time no one cared:
You're right, it's your turn, and you've already been warned a couple of times, and little stars (*) are accumulating that will eventually lead you to Banland, unless you fix your signature.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #70 on Feb 4, 2006, 6:23pm »
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I would like to see all European countries organize protest and burn copies of the Quran to show solidarity with the Danish government and people. I think the U.S. Canada and Australia should do this as well.
This is wrong. I had my hang ups with Islam until I learned more about it from a Muslim who was patient enough to teach me some things about it and I can its nothing more than religious bogotry to do what you just suggested.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #71 on Feb 4, 2006, 6:38pm »
Muslim protesters target embassies over cartoons DAMASCUS, Syria (CNN) -- Muslim demonstrators in Damascus, Syria, torched the Norwegian Embassy and the building housing Denmark's embassy, because newspapers in those countries had published what they consider blasphemous depictions of Islam's Prophet Mohammed.
Re: Muslims furious about... « Reply #74 on Feb 4, 2006, 7:26pm »
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Obviously it was an example. And it was a bad example. You were trying to make an analogy, which just didn't fly. If the subject at hand is religion, then why don't you bring up Judaism?
Why does it matter? I didn't say the subjects were equally controversial or anything like that.
I didn't bring up Judaism as my point wasn't about critique of certain religions, but about freedom of speech.
Let's be candid here. You said: "Imagine if the drawings had been about Holocaust-denial. Oh my. Denmark would had been boycotted by America. "
First, let's notice that you bring up specifically America. The insinuation is noted. Second, you certainly did imply that they were equivalent, or comparable by the very way you formulated the sentences. Third, there would not be any boycott by America and especially no violent protests that involve setting embassies ablaze. The paper would have had to explain itself and asked to apologize, and not just by America. (In fact, the paper did apologize for offending the Muslim community.) Their intentions would be put under scrutiny. I just can't imagine how a holocaust-denial cartoonist might have reasonable intentions. Can you?
Holocaust denial has nothing to do with freedom of expression. What exactly is it expressing?
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