Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #30 on Jan 13, 2006, 10:47am »
Incidentally, he is quite funny...Russel Peters that is.
I've actually seen him live in Mississauga. Most of his schtick focuses on ethnic groups in Toronto, mainly Asians. Dudes, he's able to mimic all accents. Even Chinese and Koreans. lol. He even pokes good-hearted fun at Tamils.
"somebuddy gonna get a hurt really bad". haha. I think he's of northern Indian roots.
Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #31 on Jan 13, 2006, 2:52pm »
Oh so he's actually northern Indian hehe. Well still, the guy is clearly Caucasoid, and many northern Indians are actually quite fair. I've even seen some Punjabis with lighter eyes, so IMO this guy could still be confused for a very dark southern European with non-European Caucasoid tendencies.
Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #32 on Jan 13, 2006, 2:58pm »
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This is basicly what Italian and in a larger sense European posters have been saying here since the endless threads on who is white / who is somehow "off-white" started to appear here. The whole concept is utterly American, and shouldn't be applied, as such, in Europe.
No, I have to disagree. This is a Sicilian vs Italian thing. I've heard enough disparaging remarks from Italians about Sicilians (not knowing where my father's family came from), some of it published on the web. Lately from Lega Norda. Meanwhile, the Normanni of Sicily remained a viable ethnicity, my ethnicity, at least until the end of the Second World War. This is how we retained our physical characteristics, among other things. Most started emmigrating to America in the late 19th Century. Sicilians petitioned the US government for statehood in 1946. So much for wanting to be European.
I don't hold to the evolving racist theories purported by some Americans, and having grown up in New York City, I can safely say most New Yorkers have a handle on race and ethnicity that is richer that anywhere else on the planet, except maybe for London.
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Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #33 on Jan 13, 2006, 3:17pm »
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This is basicly what Italian and in a larger sense European posters have been saying here since the endless threads on who is white / who is somehow "off-white" started to appear here. The whole concept is utterly American, and shouldn't be applied, as such, in Europe.
No, I have to disagree. This is a Sicilian vs Italian thing. I've heard enough disparaging remarks from Italians about Sicilians (not knowing where my father's family came from), some of it published on the web. Lately from Lega Norda. Meanwhile, the Normanni of Sicily remained a viable ethnicity, my ethnicity, at least until the end of the Second World War. This is how we retained our physical characteristics, among other things. Most started emmigrating to America in the late 19th Century. Sicilians petitioned the US government for statehood in 1946. So much for wanting to be European.
I don't hold to the evolving racist theories purported by some Americans, and having grown up in New York City, I can safely say most New Yorkers have a handle on race and ethnicity that is richer that anywhere else on the planet, except maybe for London.
London calling at the top of the dial And after all this won't you give me a smile? -Joe Strummer-
I agree about New York City. Due to its immense diversity, New Yorkers probably have the best concept of race and ethnicity in America at least. Although Los Angeles is right up there as far as diversity goes, tensions seem to run higher there than in New York, at least from what I've read.
I agree about New York City. Due to its immense diversity, New Yorkers probably have the best concept of race and ethnicity in America at least. Although Los Angeles is right up there as far as diversity goes, tensions seem to run higher there than in New York, at least from what I've read.
It's very Balkanized in LA. Vancouver's *the* place to be if you're young, though. Okay, Europeans: How did you find your stay in Vancouver to be? Do you really know why Gassie Joe was called Gassie Joe?
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I think its related to the innate Italian desire to seperate themselves from the neighbors, make them be as different as possible, whether it be the town next to yours, the region, or the country. The mentality of how "our" town, "our" region has always been better. And people in these towns will find any excuse for this. The concept of "whitness" is not an Italian one, but an anglosaxon one. So it was only encountered by Italians who for some reason or another found themselves in a country with an Anglosaxon tradition. You only speak of "bianchi" in Italy due to the Americanization of the nation. It is not a native concept --- the native concept being always "us" (the people in a town, region, ecc.) and "them" (foreigners).
I wouldn't place modern Italian racism in the context of Americanization. Like everything else in Italy, it's a local development.
There is an anglo-saxon component that goes back to 19th Century in Great Britain. The Italian-American encounter was fairly brutal in the 1800s. Whether eurocentrics may know it or not, because of enforced separation until the late twentieth century, "Italian Americans" were a colony in America, and in a strange way neither Italian nor American. I witnessed this as it happened in my neighboorhood among my people. Not some American thing.
I'll also say this-I'm first American born generation of my parents. My parents had run from Europe for all sorts of crappy reasons- that skeletal catacombe under Brussels and hinted at in invisible ink- as a sub clause to The Treaty of Rome. It is a good thing to yearn, though.
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Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #36 on Jan 13, 2006, 10:03pm »
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No, I have to disagree. This is a Sicilian vs Italian thing. I've heard enough disparaging remarks from Italians about Sicilians (not knowing where my father's family came from), some of it published on the web. Lately from Lega Norda.
Annie this Sicilian vs Italian thing does not exist in Italy. There is some animosity from north to south for the reasons already addressed in the dedicated thread but it never was a skin color, white non white issue. This issue is and always was completely absent form italian political or social debate.
Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #37 on Jan 13, 2006, 10:08pm »
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Would this Italian ever be considered white?
lol. This guy is not Italian. It's Russel Peters, an Indo-Canadian comedian based out of Brampton, Ontario...close to Toronto. The jpeg even says "russell17kx.jpg".
But I do know this Sri Lankan guy who says that many northern Indians can look like Italians or that some Anglo-Indian mixes look "southern Italian".
Hahahaha, how many people fell for my ruse?
The reason I posed him as Italian is because he has a bit where he says that Italians in Italy thought he was Italian.
Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #38 on Jan 13, 2006, 10:14pm »
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Incidentally, he is quite funny...Russel Peters that is.
I've actually seen him live in Mississauga. Most of his schtick focuses on ethnic groups in Toronto, mainly Asians. Dudes, he's able to mimic all accents. Even Chinese and Koreans. lol. He even pokes good-hearted fun at Tamils.
"somebuddy gonna get a hurt really bad". haha. I think he's of northern Indian roots.
Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #39 on Jan 14, 2006, 9:07pm »
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7 Annie this Sicilian vs Italian thing does not exist in Italy. There is some animosity from north to south for the reasons already addressed in the dedicated thread but it never was a skin color, white non white issue. This issue is and always was completely absent form italian political or social debate.
I understand and stand corrected here, then. As I wrote in another thread, it might very well be an Italian thing outside Italy. My grgndfather certainly had alot to say about it though.
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Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #40 on Jan 14, 2006, 9:14pm »
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lol. This guy is not Italian. It's Russel Peters, an Indo-Canadian comedian based out of Brampton, Ontario...close to Toronto. The jpeg even says "russell17kx.jpg".
But I do know this Sri Lankan guy who says that many northern Indians can look like Italians or that some Anglo-Indian mixes look "southern Italian".
Hahahaha, how many people fell for my ruse?
The reason I posed him as Italian is because he has a bit where he says that Italians in Italy thought he was Italian.
I'll admit I was one of them lol. Still, the guy does look very European for someone from that area. He's one of the Bollywood types . I'm not surprised if a few Italians thought he was just a dark Italian.
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Re: The Italian Conversation « Reply #43 on Apr 2, 2006, 3:10am »
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lol. This guy is not Italian. It's Russel Peters, an Indo-Canadian comedian based out of Brampton, Ontario...close to Toronto. The jpeg even says "russell17kx.jpg".
But I do know this Sri Lankan guy who says that many northern Indians can look like Italians or that some Anglo-Indian mixes look "southern Italian".
Hahahaha, how many people fell for my ruse?
The reason I posed him as Italian is because he has a bit where he says that Italians in Italy thought he was Italian.
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. I'm not surprised if a few Italians thought he was just a dark Italian.
