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« Reply #45 on May 4, 2005, 3:47pm » | |
hey Berter, a gma inu ! Thanks to you, everybody knows that Berbers exist now, and they hate them ! héhé. Tu est un fin stratège, je me suis rendu antipathique aux yeux de beaucoup de gens dans ma courte de vie, mais toi tu es la crême de la crême, you play in an another ligue, gma. J'aime ton style, tu as raison.
Il y a un proverbe chez moi qui dit : "mani tkka l3fiyt s ufarnu abla gh imi nns !" this is a proverbe used to describe persons who are known for the wickedness of their words...
...well, back to the subject brought by Tautamo :
1. the Libyco-Berber/Punic scipts similarities are limited (6 to 7 letters among 24 or 25 letters.)
plus, general aspect (and direction) of the two alphabets is different.
2. Libyco-Berber alphabet is far more ancient than scholars usually believed and goes back to a period when phoenician-punic influence in North Africa was still limited.
3. the most ancient Libyco-Berber inscriptions are located in remoted areas (High Atlas, and saharian areas) areas which weren't easily accessible to Phoenician influence.
4. the reason why there is a concentration of Libyco-Berber inscriptions in areas where there was a strong Punic implantation could be explained simply by an influence in the "use" of script (development of epitaph practice.)
5. the general Libyco-Berber script shapes corresponds to the geometrical symbols of pre-historical times in North African areas and to figurative design present in the rural Berber handicraft and Art (tapestry, jewelry, tattoos, etc.)
6. the lexical root for "write/script" in Berber is R(w) : this is Berber and also Pan-Berber, and results from a semantic evolution from a more ancient meaning, prior to the use of script (to engrave, to cut, to mark.)
7. there is also any intermediate shape between Punic ans Berber scripts : the two alphabets coexists together, differentiated, from the beginning. A borrowing from Phoenician Alphabet imply intermediate stage ans adjustments between the two scripts.
then it is difficult to explain the apparition of Libyco-Berber scripts scrictly by the direct borrowing from Phoenician script, because emergence of Berber script refers to socio-culturel dynamics which is intern to Berber society.
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| | Re: Berber Symbols and Tattoos
« Reply #46 on May 4, 2005, 4:02pm » | |
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I think you either didn't read my posts carefully or you should work on your English skills 
I'll make some highlights for you here 
Quote:I didn't mean to contradict you in any way, just to say that your Rex Berberiae (pardon my rusty Latin  ) reminded me of Hannibal
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I didn't mean to downplay Berber culture or anything, just to explain why I thought you were using Hannibal.
I hadn't crossed my mind that you as a Berber might actually dislike Carthage
Quote:| 3) There is no proof of any kind (genetical, cultural, ...) of any phoencian impact on the coastal NWAs (Riffians , Kabyles), |
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As I said in that post, I didn't know anything about Juba II, so I couldn't have possibly guessed your avatar correctly... And I had absolutely no idea that you still bear a grudge against the Phoenicians!
I figured you might be using Hannibal not because I thought that Berbers are descendants of Phoenicians, but because Berbers constituted a significant part of Carthaginian army, and were an important element in it. I would consider it a compliment, really, as it was the army that made Rome tremble with fear
So read the posts (including this one) one more time, slowly and carefully, and you'll see your conclusion was completely erroneous
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| | Re: Berber Symbols and Tattoos
« Reply #47 on May 4, 2005, 4:02pm » | |
Quote:| hey Berter, a gma inu, thanks to you, everybody knows that Berbers exist now, and they hate them ! héhé. Tu est un fin stratège, je me suis rendu antipathique aux yeux de beaucoup de gens dans ma courte de vie, m . |
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That was my 2-years mission.
It ended NOW!
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« Reply #48 on May 6, 2005, 2:06pm » | |
Quote:That was my 2-years mission.
It ended NOW!
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tu t'en vas, Berter, après 2 ans de bons et loyaux services ? i'm speechless... i should say something wise and memorable in order to honourably celebrate your departure, let's have recourse to some Latin pompous locution : "sic transit gloria mundi."
Ce n'est qu'un au revoir, mon frère... je te fais confiance ! héhé.
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