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« Thread Started on Mar 10, 2005, 11:57am » | |
would u say that the music of ur culture matches your self.. like lets say you took an irishman and put him and raised him in africa.. would he feel something towards irish music if he were to hear it for the first time .. like i dunno.. is music something that is built into us or is it learned or does it go with ur environment
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« Reply #1 on Mar 10, 2005, 12:08pm » | |
I have realised that blacks are rarely listening heavy metal, which is popular music style among northern europeans.
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« Reply #2 on Mar 10, 2005, 12:17pm » | |
i also believe that music could eb something that is built into the genes.. possibly...
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« Reply #3 on Mar 10, 2005, 12:33pm » | |
Hard question, hereīs why:
I donīt really know whatīs my ethnicityīs music. Iīm a Brazilian with mostly Portuguese blood, but with varying degrees of German, Spanish, Polish, French and possibly others. Part of my fatherīs family has been here since the 1700s or something like that, so a bit of non-European blood is not out of the question either.
Anyway, the problem is that first of all, most so called white people in Brazil are actually a mix of different European ethnicities and, commonly, some black and/or indian blood as well. So one would have to pick one of the parts of the mix (the largest?) but leave the others out. In that sense, I would pick Portuguese music, which I think is ok, but itīs not like I have a Fado record collection or anything like that.
Also, thereīs Brazilian music, which has many different styles. That also doesnīt really represent myself, because first of all I donīt really like most of it, and most importantly, most of it is actually variations of Afro-Brazilian rhythms from the coast (Rio, Bahia and the Northeast) and our equivalent to hillbilly/folk music from the countryside, and has as much to do with my social stratum (urban, southern, recent European heritage) as the Mardi Gras has to do with the average white New Yorker.
Not that Brazilian black music is bad or anything, on the contrary, there are some very good stuff. Itīs just that itīs not really "my" music, if you know what I mean. People like me, urban middle class caucasians, doing what would be called "Brazilian" music is just as much immitation as playing rock and roll. Again, nothing wrong with that. I just donīt think itīs right for me to consider something "mine" just because completely different people from somewhere inside my country produces it. Not more than most of you urban Americans consider bluegrass or delta blues "your" music.
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« Reply #4 on Mar 10, 2005, 12:39pm » | |
i know what you mean.. there is no single or any simple answer..but its just very interesting because the music that ppl listen to often isnt really considered related to ones ethnicity.. i mean we all like diffferent kinds of music.. however the music that developed in our own countries developed through the environments for ex.. in the desert climate areas.. you have thsi wavy sand like music or belly dancing music which is said to match the snake like movements of desert snakes and in egypt horses are taught to dance to arabic music as tho they recognize the beat of the drums etc. its seems as tho all kinds of music seem to match the atmosphere of the country they were born in... one could also make that statement towards ppl and their ethnicity.. black ppl love rap and hip hop and BEAT or BASS.. why because in Africa all the music there is based on BEAT nd Drums etc.. there must be some kind of relation....im sure tones of experiments could be done on thsi
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« Reply #5 on Mar 10, 2005, 2:39pm » | |
By the way, my favorite types of music are rock (specially 60's and Punk) and black American music from the 50's and 60's (blues, r&b, soul, etc...). Nothing to do with my country or ethnicity.
But it does have something to do with my reality regardless of that. That's what matters, not the country the music's from or the race of the musicians.
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« Reply #6 on Mar 10, 2005, 3:31pm » | |
I never really listened to music untill I discovered irish folk music when I was 9 and I didn't really branch out from celtic folk music untill I was 16 so I guess you could say I feel a real strong connection with it.
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« Reply #7 on Mar 10, 2005, 4:33pm » | |
Quote:| I never really listened to music untill I discovered irish folk music when I was 9 and I didn't really branch out from celtic folk music untill I was 16 so I guess you could say I feel a real strong connection with it. |
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I love Celtic folk style music and I'm not Irish or Celtic at all. There is something about it that puts me in this altered relaxed state- like something that would be playing in Heaven. Hope that doesn't sound corny, but that is the truth of it.
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« Reply #8 on Mar 10, 2005, 4:39pm » | |
theres no relation between my artistic preferences and my ethnic background. i listen to all sorts of music, and the same applies to other types of art.
as a matter of fact, im not patriotic, ethnocentric or nationalistic (any kind of) at all. and i dont condemn those who are anyway (though i rather find those forms of unilateralism rather narrow minded).
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« Reply #9 on Mar 10, 2005, 6:01pm » | |
Yeah and I love deep southern soul, Rock'n'Roll and Blues which I have little claim to genetically.
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« Reply #10 on Mar 10, 2005, 11:18pm » | |
ya we all like all different kinds of music but do you think there could be some kind of correlation between music and ur ethnicity
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« Reply #11 on Mar 11, 2005, 7:18am » | |
Quote:| Yeah and I love deep southern soul, Rock'n'Roll and Blues which I have little claim to genetically. |
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You might be wrong there, many white southerners are of Irish and/or Scottish ancestry. Country music owes much to Ulster fiddles. The dorian & myxolydian scales are found in both the blues & bluegrass and even if whites & blacks led largely separate lives, informal musicians of whatever hue play by ear not by vision. According to my blackish Virginian brother-in-law, the same racially variegated session musicians play on Southern soul & country records. Look at the Markeys, the houseband of 60's Stax, roughly 50/50 brown & pink.
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« Reply #12 on Mar 11, 2005, 8:41am » | |
That's true. Many of the musicians and writers in the Stax and Muscle Shoals studios, the two main providers of the Southern Deep Soul style, were white. Also, southern Soul was clearly influenced by Country music. And Country music, on the otehr hand, had been influenced by the Blues ever since Hank Williams changed the face of it in the 40's.
The Markeys were actually white, but Booker T. & The MG's, with whom they shared members, were integrated.
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You might be wrong there, many white southerners are of Irish and/or Scottish ancestry. Country music owes much to Ulster fiddles. The dorian & myxolydian scales are found in both the blues & bluegrass and even if whites & blacks led largely separate lives, informal musicians of whatever hue play by ear not by vision. According to my blackish Virginian brother-in-law, the same racially variegated session musicians play on Southern soul & country records. Look at the Markeys, the houseband of 60's Stax, roughly 50/50 brown & pink. |
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« Reply #13 on Mar 11, 2005, 3:49pm » | |
you see.. i really do think that its like we have our own rythm of music built into us by past generations etc..
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« Reply #14 on Mar 11, 2005, 4:40pm » | |
Thats true old brit its actually part of my argument for why the celts and west africans are the most gifted musically  . I was thinking of Soul more specifically but Springa makes a good point there too.
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