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Re: @Jazel & Darkstarr !
« Reply #15 on Feb 5, 2005, 1:49pm »

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But it would be more accurate to call them Phoenician because Carthaginian is limited only to Carthage...Phoenicians founded MANY northern african cities and established themselves.

Actually, I was right when I called them carthaginians : the 'phoenician' settlements founded in north west africa (and those in Iberia) were founded by carthaginians (phoenicians from carthage) not by phoenicians from the motherland (lebanon). I'm sure its new Information for you, as it is for me

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"In North Africa the next site colonized after Utica was Carthage (near Tunis). Carthage in turn seems to have established (or, in some cases, reestablished) a number of settlements in Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, the Balearic Islands, and southern Spain, eventually making this city the acknowledged leader of the western Phoenicians.".

http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Geog....s/colonies.html

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Oh yes most definetely.

A significant genetical impact (GI) of the carthaginians (Cs) on the northwest africans (NWAs) supposes a intensive contact between the two populations. This wasnt the case; Excerpts from the same source :

"The Phoenicians were not looking for land to settle but for anchorages and staging points on the trade route from Phoenicia to Spain, a source of silver and tin"
"The Phoenicians lacked the manpower and the need to found large colonies as the Greeks did, and few of their settlements grew to any size"

You would have probably been right if it were question of the GI of the Romans on NWAs, given their numerous and well developed colonies in NW-africa. Examples :

(1) Volubilis (Morocco)
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(2) Tigmad (Algeria)
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(3) Batna (Algeria)
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Re: @Jazel & Darkstarr !
« Reply #16 on Feb 5, 2005, 3:14pm »

But still, from my personal experience I can state that the genitical profile of the NWAs is mainly native.

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Re: @Jazel & Darkstarr !
« Reply #17 on Feb 5, 2005, 3:57pm »

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-The guy thinks his people lies in the world's asshole

-the kids look free from negroid admixture that's all (pure berberids), nothing "phoenician" about them... and according to a recent study, the genetic impact of phoenicians/carthaginians was insignificant, their highest genetic influence was in tunisia : 20%. (where carthage was!) imagine the influence in morocco! 0.0000000000zero%

whats your problem?

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Re: @Jazel & Darkstarr !
« Reply #18 on Feb 5, 2005, 4:21pm »

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whats your problem?

Don't get offended man! can't we be friendly with you?

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Re: @Jazel & Darkstarr !
« Reply #19 on Feb 6, 2005, 12:20pm »

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Thanks Berter for your links, as always...
But why do you keep posting children? They can´t be classified. It´s best to use individuals between 20-40 years of age, according to anthropologists.

I found this one, very berberid