Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #30 on Oct 2, 2005, 11:45am »
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Agreed, they have rounder faces with fleshy parts like you say it - thats typical for Suedsinids (intermediate though) and Palaemongolids.
Agreed? Why did you say it in the first place? Actually, there are also more people with angular faces in the south than the north. I wouldn't call it round. I'd call the face of Koreans and Mongols round but not southern Chinese. Viets and Cambodians just to make my point clear, since actually southern Chinese are basically very similar to northern Chinese:
You'd have to be a retard to think they have broader faces than northern Chinese.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #31 on Oct 2, 2005, 11:52am »
The single earliest morphologically analyzed (in a study) "Mongoloid" fossil is in the Americas. The earliest ones are all in Siberia and the Americas.
That was 10,000 years ago.
Around this point, the fossil record of SE Asia show people resembling Australian aboriginals, as late as the middle Holocene, which is 5,000 years ago.
Abstract This article uses metric and nonmetric dental data to test the two-layer or immigration hypothesis whereby Southeast Asia was initially occupied by an Australo-Melanesian population that later underwent substantial genetic admixture with East Asian immigrants associated with the spread of agriculture from the Neolithic period onwards. We examined teeth from 4,002 individuals comprising 42 prehistoric and historic samples from East Asia, Southeast Asia, Australia, and Melanesia. For the odontometric analysis, dental size proportions were compared using factor analysis and Q-mode correlation coefficients, and overall tooth size was also compared between population samples. Nonmetric population affinities were estimated by Smith's distances, using the frequencies of 16 tooth traits. The results of both the metric and nonmetric analyses demonstrate close affinities between recent Australo-Melanesian samples and samples representing early Southeast Asia, such as the Early to Middle Holocene series from Vietnam, Malaysia, and Flores. In contrast, the dental characteristics of most modern Southeast Asians exhibit a mixture of traits associated with East Asians and Australo-Melanesians, suggesting that these populations were genetically influenced by immigrants from East Asia. East Asian metric and/or nonmetric traits are also found in some prehistoric samples from Southeast Asia such as Ban Kao (Thailand), implying that immigration probably began in the early Neolithic. Much clearer influence of East Asian immigration was found in Early Metal Age Vietnamese and Sulawesi samples. Although the results of this study are consistent with the immigration hypothesis, analysis of additional Neolithic samples is needed to determine the exact timing of population dispersals into Southeast Asia. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2004. ?2004 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #32 on Oct 2, 2005, 11:56am »
saw this and other movies with him. His body is untypical for those Southerners, quite strong build and very muscular. Still his facial and head features give it away - that he has at least a strong Southern influence>>
Also he's short statured...I would something like 5'4 or 5'6 at the most.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #33 on Oct 2, 2005, 11:58am »
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Thats Bolo from Bruce Lee's "enter the Dragon"
I know, saw this and other movies with him. His body is untypical for those Southerners, quite strong build and very muscular. Still his facial and head features give it away - that he has at least a strong Southern influence.
The Yi are in SW China, first of all. What does it say when you have to go to south China to find your examples? Second, the Yi are not northern Chinese, who are relatively broadfaced, which goes back to the retardation of your "nordzsisid" terminology.
You're logic is, "well I found this guy. It proves it. Ok, you found another guy that contradicts me, but he is just from the north." Do you see how circular that is?
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Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #34 on Oct 2, 2005, 12:00pm »
Ok, we agreed on that all the time, Palaemongolids show traces of the pre-Mongolid racial types (Weddoid ( and -Negritid) or call it Australo-Melanesid if you like).
The Palaemongolid faces are partly angular in males in particular, especially of certain Malayid variants, mainly because of the robust looking facial bones in leptosomic-thin build individuals.
As for the Sinids, it depends on the exact type, since many have indeed broader faces than Dayakids, but Nordsinids have definitely narrower faces (FI) than Palaemongolids of Southern China, mainland SE-Asia (except some regions especially in the Shanid area of Vietnam).
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Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #35 on Oct 2, 2005, 12:04pm »
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The Yi are in SW China, first of all. What does it say when you have to go to south China to find your examples? Second, the Yi are not northern Chinese, who are relatively broadfaced, which goes back to the retardation of your "nordzsisid" terminology.
You're logic is, "well I found this guy. It proves it. Ok, you found another guy that contradicts me, but he is just from the north." Do you see how circular that is?
Just look at the Beijing examples I have shown and compare them with the Lolo (Yi), they are closer to each other than Han Chinese from Beijing to those of Hongkong! And then compare the Lolo with Manchus of the North and you will find the same pattern! The Lolo are closer to Nordsinid Manchus than to Mittelsinid Miao or Suedsinid Yao in particular ON AVERAGE.
Those broadfaced North Chinese people are Tungid and thats because Sino-Tibetans and Altaics-Mongols had an exchange, many Mongols are now Nordsinid, many Chinese Tungid...thats just natural if considering the long history of this bordering groups.
Just look in the Thread about the Mongol soldiers...
The typical broadfaced Koreans are mostly Tungid and Tungid-Sinid too.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #36 on Oct 2, 2005, 12:10pm »
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Ok, we agreed on that all the time, Palaemongolids show traces of the pre-Mongolid racial types (Weddoid ( and -Negritid) or call it Australo-Melanesid if you like).
The Palaemongolid faces are partly angular in males in particular, especially of certain Malayid variants, mainly because of the robust looking facial bones in leptosomic-thin build individuals.
As for the Sinids, it depends on the exact type, since many have indeed broader faces than Dayakids, but Nordsinids have definitely narrower faces (FI) than Palaemongolids of Southern China, mainland SE-Asia (except some regions especially in the Shanid area of Vietnam).
Do you do get what the point is? The very phenotypes you designate as "paleoamonglitd" is a result of admixture... So how can you then make them out to be "paleozmonsolitds"? Which features are "paleaimonglids" and which isn't it?
You're just being completely arbitrary in your terminology, classification, and phenotypes... This might as well be a science fiction tale or fantasy adventure game that the nerds play... where you are just inventing things... That's what you are doing... no difference.
And when something doesn't go your way, you just "elaborate" your way out of it.
It's such a joke. Seriously, and you wonder why your types don't control the European centers of power. Can anyone imagine QVP or Agrippa ruling? If I was white, I'd trust a retard or a Black Muslim more.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #38 on Oct 2, 2005, 12:16pm »
Another thing... Here are thousands of pics of Shanghai residents (the so called fat-headed region of Mietelsinids). They are in fact more narrow than northern Chinese...
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Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #39 on Oct 2, 2005, 12:21pm »
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Do you do get what the point is? The very phenotypes you designate as "paleoamonglitd" is a result of admixture... So how can you then make them out to be "paleozmonsolitds"? Which features are "paleaimonglids" and which isn't it?
If you prefer Southern Mongolid which is even less clear than use this term, like you want. But a) they are not all just the result of mixture, some are just older Protomongolids and Mongolids pushed South by the core group (Sinids). Furthermore thats just a name and though the SEA-Palaungids f.e. are hardly what would be ancestral to Mongolids (what the name might imply for some) but a dwarfish and partly mixed variant for the tropics. But ok, its finally just a name, a term which is old and designates something which exists (the Southern Mongolid tropical expansion with its reduced-infantilised types and those which show real ancestral features partly.
If you dont like the term use another one but the grouping makes sense and thats the point.
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You're just being completely arbitrary in your terminology, classification, and phenotypes... This might as well be a science fiction tale or fantasy adventure game that the nerds play... where you are just inventing things... That's what you are doing... no difference.
I'm using just a good old terminology to describe a variation which is finally there. Why should I re-invent other terms just because you dont like them?
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Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #40 on Oct 2, 2005, 12:25pm »
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Another thing... Here are thousands of pics of Shanghai residents (the so called fat-headed region of Mietelsinids). They are in fact more narrow than northern Chinese...
Mittelsinids are not generally brachycephalic and broad faced, just compare Tibetids and Miao. However, there are such coastal variants in the Chinese population which are brachymorphic, but where did I say Shanghai is pred. that way? Does the fact that Nordid and Dinarid is strong in the Alps negate the fact that Alpinids exist there too and Alpinisation (Brachymorphisation) took place? Now you might say its different in East Asia and you are right, but there are local rice farmer groups in the regions close the coast which are rather brachycephalic and broad faced and fall into the Mittelsinid spectrum.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #41 on Oct 2, 2005, 12:29pm »
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Another thing... Here are thousands of pics of Shanghai residents (the so called fat-headed region of Mietelsinids). They are in fact more narrow than northern Chinese...
Mittelsinids are not generally brachycephalic and broad faced, just compare Tibetids and Miao. However, there are such coastal variants in the Chinese population which are brachymorphic, but where did I say Shanghai is pred. that way?
hehe I know my China... Where else is a there a broad-faced Midelsinidt region if Shanghai isn't it?
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Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #42 on Oct 2, 2005, 1:19pm »
The Hwangho river area is mostly Nordsinid, the middle Yangtze area more Mittelsinid. So Shanghai is already on the border, but still Nordsinid-Mittelsinid. Mittelsinids in general are not that brachymorphic, as I said (compare Miao and Tibetids), but local variants and individuals are. Yunnan is mostly Mittelsinid (with ethnic and individual exceptions, like the Nordsinid Lolo (Yi) obviously). Especially certain coastal regions South of Shanghai are Mittelsinids which are brachymorphic, but not in majority, but as an element of the population.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #43 on Oct 2, 2005, 1:31pm »
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The Hwangho river area is mostly Nordsinid, the middle Yangtze area more Mittelsinid. So Shanghai is already on the border, but still Nordsinid-Mittelsinid. Mittelsinids in general are not that brachymorphic, as I said (compare Miao and Tibetids), but local variants and individuals are. Yunnan is mostly Mittelsinid (with ethnic and individual exceptions, like the Nordsinid Lolo (Yi) obviously). Especially certain coastal regions South of Shanghai are Mittelsinids which are brachymorphic, but not in majority, but as an element of the population.
Can you just admit you have no idea what you say?
Shanghai is right at the mouth of the Yangtze river... That is about as MITDEL as you can get.
Yunnan is right on top of Laos. That's Mitedel? Okkk.
All these exceptions. lol... my god you should've been a lawyer. Every time I challenge you, you "elaborate". "Well, I didn't mean that. Such a weasel. Reminds me of Woody Allen. But he's a Jews. "
Ok, which regions south of Shanghai are Mitedelsinid? Because most of the urban population of Wu-speaking Shanghai are from the immediate Wu-speaking regions south of Shanghai. You can confirm this by asking here: www.zanhe.com. Ask the web master or forum members.
Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia « Reply #44 on Oct 2, 2005, 1:57pm »
Human2...Are you crazy... Is that your problem?
You really have bone up your ass with Gareth and Agrippa . Your attidude has really been snotty and nasty in everyone of your posts ,and those within themselves are little more than rants.
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