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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #33 on Sept 15, 2005, 4:07pm »
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You say "the interest of the group". This was exactly the basis on which the tribunals in Soviet Union used to decide (The interest of the people). It just meant that they did no more have a rule of law state and anyone was at their mercy. Who gets to decide what is the interest of the group?
They didnt decide for the best of the group but for the THEORETICAL best for the Proletarians AFTER THE MARXIST ideology and this regime was totally blinded. F.e. they had a problem with the Evolution theory because it was against their ideology. They were against elite groups (especially the traditional and non-Jewish one...) because they always thought about "oppression of the Proletarians". They just didnt act rational nor just for the group, but from a certain ideological perspective which was influenced by wrong premises and a hate against original European values. I want a elite and want better humans to decide for themselves finally, but first we have to reach a certain standard and a control by a real aristocracy in the true sense of the world is the only option.
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I'm thinking about the DDR. Now, would you say that Eastern Germans were more fulfilled and more wholesome, more happy, more in tune with nature than Western Germans?
First they had a better level of education on average and a better group identity, were less corrupted etc., so there are many positive aspects and, at least for the direct generations afterwards a more healthy reaction to mass immigration and extreme Liberalcapitalism. In the West the re-education and manipulation lasted much longer so they already lost a great part of their healthy group identity unfortunately. Even the birth rates were higher for educated individuals than in the West.
So, as I said, I'm anti-Marxist so you can argue with such a state, but finally, such states like the DDR or Ceaucescus Romania were more healthy and wholesome than the current BRD.
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Eastern Germans, who had had no exposure to the "sexual corruption" of the free wolrd actually proved to be shorter; more prone to illness/use of drugs and alcohol; much less literate; poorer; much less able/willing to work; when athletes, doped into dishumanification. Plus, they wanted to be like western Germans. How comes?
The average education was higher, the were less prude but not manipulated by sex ads and sex-sells-manipulates-structures than the people in the west. Able and willing to work? Depends again more on the individual and in a current survey they said that in the current BRD more people than elsewhere said that "my job is central in my life and comes always first" and "my boss has too much control over my life" and "I fear for my job and social security" etc. Now there is more competition with chearper workers from the East in Western Germany than was in the DDR during Communist times.
I dont want to speak about the tricks of the world bank, Soros intrigues and manipulation and what happened in Afghanistan, simply because I'm an Anti-Marxist, I'm collective oriented, but not in a Marxist sense - a major reason for that is, that humans are influenced by the environment, but genes are as important. Marxism is looks too much at the economical structures from a dogmatic ideological perspective, thats a mistake, you must look at a complex system and the only thing which should be clear is whats good on the long run and thats whats the best for the majority of the individuals, the group (ethnic-population-state), the race, the species and ecosystem, which preserves and further develope it. From that on you should always react according to the latest informations the leading group has and the leading group should be in the strict and literal sense of the word an aristocracy and no corrupted plutocracy like it is the case in the Liberalcapitalistic system.
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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #34 on Sept 15, 2005, 4:15pm »
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Instincts aren't inherently gross.
He doesn't believe me. It can be gross though but that's not instinct, just mistaken for it or misnamed
Alot of people make them that way, the capable have reason, and manners. Compared to the vulgarity of the "lumpenprole". Who are ever increasing at least here in the US.
Liberalist Capitalism is on borrowed time on the long term. It still cause a lot of damage ot societies and the planet.
Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #35 on Sept 15, 2005, 6:30pm »
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First they had a better level of education on average and a better group identity, were less corrupted etc., so there are many positive aspects and, at least for the direct generations afterwards a more healthy reaction to mass immigration and extreme Liberalcapitalism.
So why did they want so hard to become Western Germans that it took a wall to keep them in the East?
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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #36 on Sept 15, 2005, 7:12pm »
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So why did they want so hard to become Western Germans that it took a wall to keep them in the East?
Because of the good West propaganda, the good shop-window of the West - and you can take that literally because there was the possibility to see special shops in which West-products could be bought - for hard DM obviously. They just saw the luxury, not the negative effects and AT THAT TIME, the negative effects were not as big as they are now after the Neoliberal wave (begin with Reagan and Thatcher).
Furthermore there were immense economic problems at the end, the Marxist regime was unnatural, partly incompetent and finally just ridiculous.
The point is it had many failures, but was better in some aspects than the West, but finally its for me not about an alternative between Liberalcapitalism and Bolshevism, because both ideas are no alternative to me, but to try something better obviously without the mistakes and failures of both. Communism was just nothing for German, and it became if its about efficiency even worse, what was not just the fault of the DDR-regime but of what the Soviet Union did too and what the American-British policy was as well - I mentioned the World Bank, Soros and Afghanistan f.e.
The American culture is just in one aspect almost perfect, if its about illusions and a hypocritical show. However, we're finally speaking about the Liberalisation and Californication of the world since even the USA were not as bad 20 years ago as they are now. The "Neoconservatives" (the union of Anglocalvinistic and Jewish plutocrats with religious middle class groups if speaking about the main supporters) are just the next plague spot, probably the worst so far. For the individuals, though the system was not good for the group, social market economy, especially with certain ecological aspects too, was at least ok, you could call this the European continental regime, mainly born in Germany, France, Benelux and Scandinavia. But now, after the Neoliberal turn in the 80's (massive with Reagan and Thatcher) things changed quite alot. Its not by chance that the hyperindividualisation and individualim-ideology was getting stronger and stronger, like the idea of a "plural and multicultural society", and at the same time asocial profit oriented and uncontrolled terror-Capitalism was spread. First natural units, communities, ideas, able to resist are being destroyed by idiotic and infantile life concepts which make out of a group just mass of retarded individuals, and afterwards you can exploit every single individual and call it "freedom", because people are "responsible for themselves". Its obvious that single individuals, even if the count millions but have no idea about common ideals, orientation and actions, are much easier to manipulate than even 10.000 people with real roots and a good spirit. The real "free market" without state control means the end of democracy anyway, because if just money controls policy and not the other way around, everything can be manipulated by the plutocracy from politicians which were elected to the media and structures which form the public opinion. You can even destroy political activists, firing them and stigmatise them. So thats a real corrupted plutocracy and we are on the way. And all that shit about individual responsibility, f.e. "the consument can chose" or you "can get active in NGO's" is total nonsense, because that just doesnt really change anything. Idealistic people are working for small things there whole life but reach almost nothing against the structures of power if they dont want it, even if the majority would be behind them! Thats just an alibi, good for people being distracted - you have the (theoretical) freedom to act in a certain range but because the public opinion is made by the mass media and the state structures, which are under the control of corrupted politicians, you will practically reach nothing. And if you name things as they are, you will soon come under attack. The freedom is just for idiots which fight for more "rights of immigrants", "rights for animals" and "more women emancipation".
You can see how the system is working in the USA, mainly Jews helped blacks to organise themselves and fought with them against the white majority, finally made a system both groups, original black nationalists and white American didnt want, a mix system with destroyed identities. Now they fought with blacks as long as they could use them, but ones they reached their goal and came into the establishment themselves and the blacks wanted more money for local programs ON THEIR OWN, not just under the idea of a "plural society", they allowed it just if they BY THEMSELVES had not to pay for it. And such a hypocrisy is everywere, they speak about the same pseudotolerant and sentimental shit all over and over again, but if its about the money, the real social policy, they just cut everything down and are against higher social and ecological standards. Not to speak about the fact that the individualism-ideology of that kind is just used against communities. Whats good about Negrids being in Europe? Nothing except the fact that the natural communities are being destabilised! At the same time hedonistic lifestyles are spread and people begin to care just about their narrower social environment, no ideas of a greater whole anymore - and why should they have some? Community and majority are something bad now, minorities, idiotis, cripples, perverted, foreigners are now the new heros, at least if its going against the European people. If its about fair economy they forget their "ideals" very soon and begin again with the "everybody for himself" slogan... Of course, in a system controlled by multinational companies and investors, who will be finally stronger, an individual alone, for itself, maybe with a small family or the multinational corporate groups and transnational investor groups? Where is personal freedom if you have to follow just the rules of the market and your only freedom can be found in the areas left for the individual, where it can play a naive idealist, far away from the worlds reality, or were it can play a sexual pervert and being proud of it, or were it can spend its money earned in a useless business for feeling better until it dies childless. Thats no freedom, thats insanity. Thats a system, a liberalcapitalistic exploitation based on the human weakness of having very primtive desires and instincts too. Again, as long as they work natural they lead to something, to healthy families, good groups, further evolution, children and simply life, healthy wholesome life. Not that crap, the use of the lowest instincts humans have for profits and finally destruction of real values. Who thinks humans evolved on to our current society and didnt degenerate must be blind or at least blinded. However, the alternative must be formulated and brought into life - and I hope it will not be too late for Europe when the time will come.
Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #37 on Sept 15, 2005, 7:22pm »
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I said Every individual is proud of being what he/her is because he just takes what he is and put it as core value of his world. You answered Is that why white people adopt black children or try to behave like Negrids and hate their own group?
I also want to address this. You think that people should identify with their race or ethnic group. There's no rational reason for this.
Why should someone put his race as the core of his being, this is absurd. Even if all that you believe concerning differences between races was true, equally there will be more variance of attitudes, intelligence and personality within the races than between the races.
So if you define yourself in terms of personality, attitudes, intelligence, you would reach a much more accurate description of yourself, of what you are, than saying you are a whatever kind of northen euro.
Chick Corea is a white jazzman. The most important thing in his life is music. You think he would deny his white personality playing wiht a black musician? Or would he deny his own personality playing with an uninspiring musician?
People adopt children of other races because they define themselves in terms of what they individually are, they are not satisfied with a sort of identity shared with a billion living people and infinite billions of dead people, as such identity is almost non existent.
There is not real black or white identity these things are very skindeep.
Some charachteristchs may be more common in a race than in another, and so? If you like tall girls you can go vacation in Sweden, but this doesn't mean that you should prefer a short Swede to a tall Sardinian. I myself feel closer to a papuan drinker than to a neapolitan teetotaler tonite.
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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #38 on Sept 15, 2005, 7:52pm »
There is a concern that there is a lack of positive aspects among all races, nations, tribes, cultures, etc. While honor is slowly prevailing there is a cause for concern over the destruction of cultures, and the proliferation of "Coca-Cola" type of thinking. Capitalism, is enslavement to money, and Marxist Social/Communism is enslavement to work. While going back and looking at the way peoples used to live was a Tribalistic, or Nationalistic Socialism (don't think NSDAP, or Hitler). They did have common values, the values form the basis for laws, or at least social morés.
An example: Due to the non-wholistic polarities of either Marxist Communism, or current Capitalism, some of the laws have lost meaning, and instead of policing, the police harass, and they are usually in cooperation with organized crime. Some are coerced because their families are threatened, and would willingly come behind a strong honorable man, but since the systems are so polluted there is little hope for change unless you kill it, and start anew. The people who introduced the corruption should be held responsible, the people who had the power to stop it must be held accountable. They probably have a reason to be sad.
The laws, and system only seem to work on the surface level, and maybe one or two stages below that.
Agrippa, you seem to be mentioning the lack of what are termed "eternal values", and traditionalism.
The plan also in the US is for the drug companies to have more people on drugs to control depression, and other ailments. If 25% - dare I say 40% percent of people in this country have depression, I doubt it's always a chemical imbalance for all of those millions.
A simple way to think is, a strong person makes a strong family, a strong family makes a strong community, strong communities become strong villages, and the chain continues. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link, which is the individual. Even though there are good aspects to the system they are outweighed when the system is not held in check or monitored.
Liberalist Capitalism is still living on borrowed time because much of it cannot be sustained by people, by Earth, by communities. It's a parasite that dies when the proper medicine is introduced.
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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #39 on Sept 15, 2005, 8:09pm »
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I also want to address this. You think that people should identify with their race or ethnic group. There's no rational reason for this.
So you think its more rational to adopt foreign race children, take them away from their own group, bring them into your own group where such a child does not belong, and partly just because you want to prove "how tolerant and open minded", following the current "plural" ideology, you are, is more rational? Thats idiotic. If a European wants to help Negrids, he should donate or try to change the economic structures. There is no rational reason behind forein racial immigration with the exception of destroying natural grown units!
Furthermore if you are European and live in Europe following things (beside others): .) Other Europeans, especially of your nation, have basically the same cultural background and homogenity is good for a social and common culture, values. .) Those which are of the same race are at least statistically genetically closer to you, one of the first imperatives of life is to protect you relatives and your relatives first. .) If you have a homogenous environment its easier for yourself to keep up your own genetic make up and culture, whats something positive for various reasons too, otherwise your own genetic and racial background might be lost on the long run. .) Races are adapted to their respective regions, its not by chance that no Negrids lived in Europe and survived on the long run and no Europids live in tropical Africa. They are just made FOR THEIR environment, it just idiotic, not just for cultural reasons, to be pro-immigration because you bring people in regions were they do not belong, for which they are not made. Europid were both racially and culturally selected for at least 20.000 years for a temperate climate, for the habitat of Europe and the close areas, they are the optimal adaptation for that region out of this long selection, why should that be destroyed?
.) There are objective differences in abilties, why should Europeans be bred away by groups which lack certain positive frequences? That woud be on a world wide scale the selection of the worst and happens bot inter and intracultural. Again something which is neither good for the respective groups nor for the species as a whole...
.) as are heterogenous groups without real values and virtues not good for the species because this rootless masses are even more driven by individual primitive desires and drives, even easier to manipulate by a corrupted system what might be the reason why some maga-capitalists want such a "mosaic system".
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Why should someone put his race as the core of his being, this is absurd.
More absurd than living for a useless job which works against your group, spending your money for drugs, hedonistic pleasures and play a sexual pervert - finally die on your last journey which pollutes again the planet, childless and without a healthy social environment left. That should be more sane? I doubt it. Its not just about race, but race is of importance thats the point. Most people which are "anti-racists" didnt just lost their racial pride, but they lost their human dignity too, they believe in childish and primitive beliefs, idiotic slogans or live a weak and corrupted life. If you are not pride of what you are, you will hardly be anything at all. You should always see your failures and insufficiency too, but you have to start somewhere to evolve on, and humans have to start with their kin, thats a biological rule and it makes sense, because the further biological and cultural evolution, if there will be a positive one at all, will for sure not be a "plural society". Even if Europeans would be destroyed, and get killed NOW, we lose more people because of that insane lifestyle EVERY YEAR than in a major war, a new start will begin with a homogeneous group, the "plural society" is an idiocy in itself which destroys what was buid up by thousands of European generation, just in four or five... Thats the final destruction of values, its the invadilation of the fights and survival of our ancestors, of their achievements and what they made out of their groups. I know, they might have though primary about survival anyway, but at least they managed it and gave us now a great chance of making a better society, we have the power, the ressources, the biological potential, what we lack, especially after the Americanisation and Liberalisation of society, is the will to simply do it. And that will was lost in this Neoliberal ideology for exploiter and weaklings.
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Even if all that you believe concerning differences between races was true, equally there will be more variance of attitudes, intelligence and personality within the races than between the races.
But you make no unity out of a mosaic even if that would be true and in fact it isnt. Chances that in a subsaharan African are genes of importance for us Europeans are practically zero and because there is no selection, mainly the negative genes will spread but there will be no genetic sweep of positive genes. Same goes for any other race. There is contraselection inter- and intraculturally and only a controlled population policy and Eugenic with human measures can change that, otherwise every mixture and every failure will lead just to even further generation from an objective point of view. Let me explain with a simple example: If there would be Negrids with positive features, f.e. a more efficient muscle variant and the same intelligence and progressive-attractive physical standard, alltogether very, very, extremely unlikely, but however, chances are high that this individual will not have much more children than a high standard white. Those which will reproduce themselves will finally be mainly those with negative features again, as its the reality in all liberalcapitalistic societies.
This means immigration of foreign races just leads to the destruction of naturally grown unities, makes individualisation even more extreme, destroys the group spirit faster, makes manipulation and economic exploitation easier and leads at the same time to more social conflicts and an even faster degeneration of the population.
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So if you define yourself in terms of personality, attitudes, intelligence, you would reach a much more accurate description of yourself, of what you are, than saying you are a whatever kind of northen euro.
Thats what I do, finally I can closer to a progressive and similar thinking individual from the other end of the planet but what would I tell them: Change your society in the same direction and I help you to do it in your land, and you help me to do it in my land - simple as that. Eugenic and racialism is finally just Eugenic on a population level to me, with the exception of the value of natural grown and homogeneous (f.e. ethnic) units for themselves. But because they have a value in themselves, I want to defend my group. Just some reasons are further positive communities and produce a more social and group oriented society, no chaotic environment for plutocratic exploitation and rootless and dioriented masses of corrupted individuals. There is no argument for encouraging race mixture, especially no uncontrolled one because only those mixtures can be good in certain environments, which are selected. Because the long term combinations by chance after the first positive slight heterosis effect in some, are rather negative especially if a higher evolved and for a certain environment better adapted type mixes with a foreign one which lacks that.
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Chick Corea is a white jazzman. The most important thing in his life is music. You think he would deny his white personality playing wiht a black musician? Or would he deny his own personality playing with an uninspiring musician?
The problem is that you speak, play or do something else with somebody else, but if you lose your positive identity, racial and cultural purity. In particular if you lose it for something worse and thats what happening. Just look at European cities 30 years ago and now, you see the difference. now its all a soulless market place with social conflicts furthered by the heterogeneous structure of society. Pop music and the associated culture had a very negative effect on the European populations, especially the Youth. Nobody who looks at it from a more objective point of view can deny that. That popculture encouraged people to act like manipulated apes, just hearing to their lowest instincts.
Now I dont want to blame every single individual involved, most are just part of a bigger system, are nothing more than a brick themselves, but still I won't like them. Anyway, if your life would be just about a simple profession and your family and environment, group, race and finally species and ecosystem is less important for your than your personal pleasures, this person is rather worthless anyway. Of course if he doesnt recognise it, its his stupidity.
As a great man said, in a free translation: To not recognise the truth might be stupidity. To deny the truth and to know it better is a crime.
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People adopt children of other races because they define themselves in terms of what they individually are,
So because you define themselves of what "you are", you adopt a child of foreign race? Sorry, but thats just plain stupid and nothing else.
They have no feeling for what they are any more, because life is finally about having children or relatives of your own surviving in the future, or if you think much beyond that, you can think about the race and species level, but even then it makes no sense at all. From a personal point of view its idiotic either, because you take that child out of its natural environment and it will never be the same as your own or at least a child of your own race. It will always be foreign, you dont see your features in it, you dont see your background in it and you just have it because you want to play the "good naive pseudotolerant human-idiot-machine". They would have never came to such a stupid idea in another system. Even totally foreign adoption was not the rule in most traditional societies, but if, it happened by chance, but this people want a foreign child, they search for a foreign child, just to prove something to the world which made them that deluded. And they are more than deluded, they are arrogant too, because they think they are such "moralic and free-indetermined human being", more than "just genes and biology", they act against nature because of that kind of arrogance, the idea that they can do it and should do it simply because its possible, against all reason - and because of that they feel "great", because of this illusion - "we did something nature didnt planned, we are free from our families, tribes, folk traditions, races, even the rules of nature, we are such great and feeling persons", but finally the are just deluded and arrogant, because there are always rules bigger than the individual and those who dont see it are not more, but even less, they are still animals, even lower than animals, because the instincts of most animals finally work for life, but they in their idiocy work against life and nature, against their ancestors and against the future of their group and mankind.
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they are not satisfied with a sort of identity shared with a billion living people and infinite billions of dead people, as such identity is almost non existent.
Dont begin with Constructivism. They have an identity they share with many, its just not as obvious, but its deep in their soul, its the propaganda of the system and they are just acting like stupid robots and millions of apes in the mass media applaud and motivate more human-machines to act the same way.
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There is not real black or white identity these things are very skindeep.
Superficial crap, the differences are much more than that and the racial and cultural identity has to many aspects to mention them all now.
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Some charachteristchs may be more common in a race than in another, and so? If you like tall girls you can go vacation in Sweden, but this doesn't mean that you should prefer a short Swede to a tall Sardinian. I myself feel closer to a papuan drinker than to a neapolitan teetotaler tonite.
Then chat with them via the Internet and you might even invite them to your home, but dont let them mix with your people in your land and dont let your people die for nothing but a plutocratic nightmare.
You dont make Africa better by letting millions of them into Europe, you just make Europe worse and thats the point. If you want to help foreign children, help the parents and the states there to help as much as possible, you reach much more that way than by adopting one single children which even harms your own group and is an unnatural situation for "your child". If you want to help the people down there, donate money for the respective organisations and change the world standards in economy, to destroy Neoliberalism in your own country and on the European continent first would be a great first step into such better future.
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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #40 on Sept 15, 2005, 8:20pm »
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A simple way to think is, a strong person makes a strong family, a strong family makes a strong community, strong communities become strong villages, and the chain continues. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link, which is the individual. Even though there are good aspects to the system they are outweighed when the system is not held in check or monitored.
Liberalist Capitalism is still living on borrowed time because much of it cannot be sustained by people, by Earth, by communities. It's a parasite that dies when the proper medicine is introduced.
Exactly. And I just hope, both for my group and for the species as whole, that the medicine will come before the final collapse. AS you said, its borrowed time. What strong communities, folks and nation states build up, what the occidental reason constructed finally after a long period of try and error is now being used, or better used up for a short term of total exploitation without respecting true values and healthy structures, just for the profit of a few and the blindness of the mass.
Every progressive society should be collective organised hiearchically, like you said, step by step, from the individual to the family, to the tribe and folk, to the cultur and race, to the species and ecosystem. Everytime thinking about whats good for all levels on the long run, not just for single individual short-term profit oriented. Thats the basic problem of Liberalcapitalism, it lacks any long-term and group oriented perspective and the "plural" society with just individuals and the state and companies lead by plutocrats, is the ideal model for such a short-term and profit oriented, infantile and destructive way of thinking.
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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #41 on Sept 16, 2005, 5:05am »
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This means immigration of foreign races just leads to the destruction of naturally grown unities, makes individualisation even more extreme, destroys the group spirit faster, makes manipulation and economic exploitation easier and leads at the same time to more social conflicts and an even faster degeneration of the population.
Agrippa, I'm too lazy to read your gigantic post, but what does in your opinion constitute a "foreign race"? Europe has many Middle Eastern immigrants, are we also a foreign race?
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Re: Male examples preferred in physical anthropolo « Reply #42 on Sept 16, 2005, 6:09am »
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Agrippa, I'm too lazy to read your gigantic post, but what does in your opinion constitute a "foreign race"? Europe has many Middle Eastern immigrants, are we also a foreign race?
Not, if you become Roman Catholic like most of us Alpine Übermenschen.
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