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« Reply #15 on Apr 2, 2005, 9:15pm »

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Of course the 30% figure is not "Mongoloid" but Mongoloid-influenced, and this certainly does not seem preposterous.

The Caspian zone type is described as predominantly Mongoloid, as extending into Kazakhstan. It is clearly referring to non-ethnic Russians. And Dienekes, the 30% figure certainly does seem preposterous if you know what you're talking about here.

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« Reply #16 on Apr 2, 2005, 9:17pm »

Also, Russians make up 83% of the population of Russia, with Ukrainians making up an additional 3%. This does not include various Caucasoids from the Caucasus and other minorities. Russians and other Caucasoids are concentrated in the European part, which would mean that they make up an even greater percentage there. Moreover, this research is based on Soviet-era anthropology, so presumably there were even less non-Russians in European Russia at the time. Therefore, it seems to me like a reasonable suggestion that under any assumptions, even if we assume that all the non-ethnic Russians are sub-Mongoloid, this would still leave many ethnic Russians in that anthropological category as well.

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« Reply #17 on Apr 2, 2005, 9:38pm »

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Yeah, I took all of that into account when I noted that this article was not written by professionals.

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« Reply #18 on Apr 2, 2005, 10:20pm »

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Yeah, I took all of that into account when I noted that this article was not written by professionals.

Irrelevant to the question of whether or not the sub-Mongoloid component in the population of European Russia can be attributed to non-ethnic Russians.

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« Reply #19 on Apr 2, 2005, 11:00pm »

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Irrelevant to the question of whether or not the sub-Mongoloid component in the population of European Russia can be attributed to non-ethnic Russians.

All right, enough of this. Let's look at some ethnic Russians from the Astrakhan oblast, which is in the "sub-Mongoloid mestizo" Caspian zone.

***DISCLAIMER*** Unfortunately I have only names to go by, which is hardly foolproof, especially since many outright Asiatics have these names which are indistinguishable from ethnic Russian names. Of course I have no way of guaranteeing ethnic purity. But oh well. Also, many of these people were not born in this region, which I will note right next to the pic, if they weren't born in a neighboring region.

Astrakhanskaya oblast:

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- from Khabarovsk in the Russian Far East.

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-from Bashkiria, not sure about ethnicity!
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-from Grozny, this is what dark-pigmented Russians generally look like.
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-from Krasnodar Kray.
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-from Makhachkala, Dagestan.
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Re: Anthropology of East Slavs
« Reply #20 on Apr 2, 2005, 11:07pm »

Here are the non-Slavic deputies from Astrakhanskaya oblast:

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- some kind of Dagestani.

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« Reply #21 on Apr 2, 2005, 11:24pm »

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Let's look at some ethnic Russians from the Astrakhan oblast, which is in the "sub-Mongoloid mestizo" Caspian zone.

Out of the twenty, these six ones have Mongoloid tendencies:

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« Reply #22 on Apr 3, 2005, 12:18am »

I accidentally pressed modify instead of quote. I apologize (DP). Feel free to re-modify

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« Reply #23 on Apr 3, 2005, 12:20am »

Since we can't subject them to any kind of test, we'll have to agree to disagree about what constitutes a Mongoloid-influenced phenotype and what does not.

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« Reply #24 on Apr 3, 2005, 12:32am »

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Since we can't subject them to any kind of test, we'll have to agree to disagree about what constitutes a Mongoloid-influenced phenotype and what does not.

Didn't you at some point call Sadat Mediterranean?

You're saying that this woman has Mongoloid tendencies? I can't take that seriously. It's beyond reaching.

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« Reply #25 on Apr 3, 2005, 12:35am »

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I don't know. He reminds me of that Kurdish leader.

Kurds have some Y-chromosome haplogroup C, possibly some Q, (see paper by Nasidze posted in my blog)

Plus, 5 out of 81 Y-chromosomes in Cinnioglu's study of eastern Anatolia were N and Q, which lends further support to the idea that Kurds have some Mongoloid admixture.

So, the resemblance is not very surprising.

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« Reply #26 on Apr 3, 2005, 12:36am »

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Didn't you at some point call Sadat Mediterranean?

You're saying that this woman has Mongoloid tendencies? I can't take that seriously. It's beyond reaching.

Very bad picture.

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« Reply #27 on Apr 3, 2005, 1:06am »

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I accidentally pressed modify instead of quote. I apologize (DP). Feel free to re-modify

I'm going to address them by number this time.

#1. Maybe, but I would need a better picture at least. And I am not sure about his ethnicity either.

2. No, see here.

3. Not a very good picture, but no.

4. Like I said before, I'm inclined to agree but he probably isn't an ethnic Russian. I only went by names.

5. See right.

6. Hell no.

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